INEOS Grenadier
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There's a difference between a rock that might scratch your paint, or break a driveshaft or CV axle, and a "mud puddle" that gets into your ECU and starts popping airbags. Can you say totaled.No, but I'd take it to tens of thousands of miles of somewhat-more-than-bumpy-forest-roads.
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But it's a wimpy me; a whole bunch of very early Discoweb people including all three who started it took their then-brand-new trucks to Rubicon, Dusy Ershim, and many of the hardest Moab trails around 2001. Inflation-adjust if you want.
Certain "mud puddles" will exact a toll, regardless of vehicle. Some people are smart enough to understand this, others just have to learn the hard way. We called this guy "Submarine Captain Rob" after this misadventure, which was entertaining to watch from the shore but his wife in the passenger seat was not amused. Not sure what his hydrolocked engine thought of it. If you asked Captain Rob, I reckon he'd tell you he built his truck to be abused.
So a friend and I were wheeling in the pits on an old mining road barely wide enough for two vehicles. On one side it went straight down about 15 ft and ran into the woods, on the other side was a lake. Came up to where they had cut the road to drain the lake. Went down to the right, crossed the creek, and tried to get back up in 1st. I couldn't crawl up the hill, so momentum. 2nd, gas, up, hit the top, front wheels off the ground, hit brakes, stop with a few feet before it's a trip down into the lake. I remember this because this was one of the times someone got out and was visibly upset. I mean really upset like "I thought I was going to die".
Keeping this post in context, I'm not doing that with a 100k SUV.
I know what I"m good at, and what I'm not. I suck at the english language/grammar, as all here can tell. But I'm good at a couple of things. I can kill shit, mostly whitetail deer, grow grass, and manipulate an internal combustion engine driven vehicle past certain obstacles.
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Saw quite a few new defenders at MAR this year. Folks just banging them around on things like the rest of us. If you have the disposable income, not a big deal I suspect.
Yes, likely after I wear these ones significantly. I will be looking for 255/75R17 (1/2" taller) or 275/70R17 (1" taller). Plenty of options in either size.
Updated the original write-up (towards the bottom of the page).
Enjoy the updates. Keep them coming. Dimensions caught my attention. These things are tall. Same length as LR3/4 but smaller back seat and smaller cargo area (think the LR3/4 will always be an outlier in that sense?). Let us know if the turning radius impacts off road use, especially on a somewhat longer vehicle. The lack of self centering steering always keeps you paying attention at the wheel
The turning radius is close to that of a 2016 110 I drove in Scotland. I remember it being unexpected.
Now, the subject of dimensions and interior volume: I suspect the length of the Grenadier includes the spare mounted on the back door; if that's the case, it perfectly explains the difference in cargo volume. There may also be difference due to a straight 6 and slightly longer hood, but no more than 2-3".
So far, ingress/egress for people under 5'8" will be a challenge, especially in tight parking spots. The large[r] turning radius can make getting into these spots a three-point affair - I already found myself avoiding crowded parking aisles near Costco.
I'm curious about the actual interior dimensions compared to our LR4s. Your photos of both parked next to each other in your driveway make them look practically identical and your listed dimensions agree - Grenadier 1" longer, 1" wider, 7" taller. The cargo area on the Grenadiers I saw at the test drive looked significantly smaller than the LR4 and the front & rear seats seemed about the same as the LR4 (although the driver's position with door closed felt more snug than in the LR4). But where's that extra inch of length? Longer hood & spare tire included in the overall length? If you feel like playing with a tape measure, see what the back of front seats (in a normal driving position) to inside of rear cargo door measures in at. Maybe back of fixed center cubby box to rear cargo door, and back of 2nd row seats to rear cargo door. That cargo area has to be a good 4 to 6 inches shorter than the LR4.
Not only that, the plastic panels on the sides of the Grenadier's cargo area look like they encroach further into the usable space than the analogous pieces on the LR3/4. That is my impression from the photos, at any rate. Actual measurements will tell the full story.
I’d rather buy a Defender for the price of an Overtrail. I’m more curious to see the new Prado pricing.
That is very encouraging to think what the Toyota version will cost.