The whole concept of “used EVs” makes no sense for this very reason. I see used Teslas advertised for like $50k and I’m thinking, “Who’s buying this high-liability shit?” To capitalize on EVs you have to suck it up, dive in new, and get the fuck out before the shit hits the fan. Or just go full disposable modern American society and lease.
INEOS Grenadier
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Took the wife and kids to the local video arcade/adult’s bar and grill yesterday. Parked next to a F150 Raptor wrapped in “highlighter yellow” as my wife called it. It was literally glowing in the twilight in the parking lot. There were after-images of the thing in my eyelids when I closed my eyes. It was giving off its own radioactive decay heat. I think I have a tumor now.Definitely daily here. That color's history is at least 53 years old. It's not my cup of tea either, but many people dig it.
I was wring about price. $775K.
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I got the half-face sunburn when I parked next to it just like Richard Dreyfuss in Close Encounters.
Four 24"-long pieces of 3"x4", 1/4" wall, aluminum angle, and 68" cross-bars from Amazon. The grand total including T-nuts and stainless screws - under $300.
Cheap Bastard concept is alive and well!
... of which I have plenty
I keep a pretty detailed gas mileage log on this trip - my WAG is about 14 mpg, which is close to LR4. Partly it was affected by stretches of I-80 and I-15 between Wendover and Logan, with speed limit of 80 and me driving barely faster than semis at 86.
I am sure roof rack bars don't add to gas mileage, either.
There are many minor electronic bugs with the Grenadier - like fragile Android Auto (maybe it's my phone), idiotic warnings like "high tyre pressure" when tires pumped to door-jamb-spec 49psi cold turn into 55psi at 80mph, or "low tyre pressure" when it is 10F outside, or assorted "AEB not available" or whatever. It does not affect the driving in any way, and it helps to have the instrument panel away from your face. I'd be far more concerned about assorted lights on the Classic's dash, or cryptic warnings in LR4 that mean an imminent demise but don't say so.
Hope for a software update in future.
Plenty of passing power out of that B58. Not as much as from a 5.0 in LR4, but enough.
The place we stay has a curved uphill driveway covered with ice - the Grenadier has no problems with it, just like LR4 or a rental Suburban. We remember a rental 4Runner being like a cow on ice in the same place.
Somehow these posts are making me want to sell my D1 and get an LR4.... of which I have plenty
I keep a pretty detailed gas mileage log on this trip - my WAG is about 14 mpg, which is close to LR4. Partly it was affected by stretches of I-80 and I-15 between Wendover and Logan, with speed limit of 80 and me driving barely faster than semis at 86.
I am sure roof rack bars don't add to gas mileage, either.
There are many minor electronic bugs with the Grenadier - like fragile Android Auto (maybe it's my phone), idiotic warnings like "high tyre pressure" when tires pumped to door-jamb-spec 49psi cold turn into 55psi at 80mph, or "low tyre pressure" when it is 10F outside, or assorted "AEB not available" or whatever. It does not affect the driving in any way, and it helps to have the instrument panel away from your face. I'd be far more concerned about assorted lights on the Classic's dash, or cryptic warnings in LR4 that mean an imminent demise but don't say so.
Hope for a software update in future.
Plenty of passing power out of that B58. Not as much as from a 5.0 in LR4, but enough.
The place we stay has a curved uphill driveway covered with ice - the Grenadier has no problems with it, just like LR4 or a rental Suburban. We remember a rental 4Runner being like a cow on ice in the same place.
You miss a fundamental point.
A Disco 1, or a Classic, and far to a lesser extent, LR4, can be adapted for off-pavement duties.
A Grenadier, just like an old Defender, was built for it.
Hmmmm....I think of the D1 and the Defender like I think of RC cars that come with the same underpinnings and different looking plastic tops (think Traxxas TRX). Pretty much the same with a different body on top. Granted, you can fit 33's on the Defender and the Grenadier out of the gate, but you can do plenty of light off roading in a Stock D1 - I would say about 90% of what you could do in a Defender or Grenadier without risking body damage.
All that being said, not really sure where that came from. My D1 is a local runabout for my son and I and sooner or later will be cursed with some maintenance item that is more than its worth or fall victim to just too much rust. I could start the clock over with a good used V8 LR4 for lets say five grand over the sale price of my D1, give or take. I wouldn't compare a used LR4 with 100k miles to a brand new anything. Very different use cases and expectations.
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I don't disagree, but really the D1 was seems more like a defender built for comfort. I don't know all that much but there seems very little about the overall offroad ability of a defender vs a D1 other than stuff like body a.k.a. approach angles. Sure you can prove me otherwise as our a guru campared to me. ;-)
A stock D1 has about 12" from the ground to the plastic door sills, axle housings made out of very thin metal, steering links that bend when you cast an angry look at them, and trailing arms in the rear that don't like to stay straight for long. It is also heavy - I had a chance to compare the results of a "kiss" of leaning tree with a D1's roof with a 60-degree roll of a Series truck into the same tree. A small bump in a tropical roof in a Series, and broken alpine window, torn seals, and bent roof of the D1. A hard hit on the door sill-mounted rock slider (which most of them were) often results in the bent body and jammed doors. In comparison to this, same hit on a Defender results in a confined dent.
All outer body panels on a D1 or a Classic are not in any way load-bearing - meaning simply leaning on any of them will bend/buckle the panel. That alone makes them very different from a Defender.
I've wheeled the living hell out of my old D1 and less - out of my present Classic, but very little on them remained factory. I greatly appreciate both vehicles for what they were from the factory, but they don't come anywhere close to the Grenadier in mechanical design.
All outer body panels on a D1 or a Classic are not in any way load-bearing - meaning simply leaning on any of them will bend/buckle the panel. That alone makes them very different from a Defender.
I've wheeled the living hell out of my old D1 and less - out of my present Classic, but very little on them remained factory. I greatly appreciate both vehicles for what they were from the factory, but they don't come anywhere close to the Grenadier in mechanical design.
So are the number of zeros in the purchase price.
Not so. I bought a new 1995 Discovery. I believe that it was SE7. Not 100% sure. The D90 in San Jose CA at the time was optioned and dealer stickered within $1,000 of my D1 and Jeep Grand Cherokee. I was trading in a Wrangler and D90 did not appeal to the wife who had to commute San Jose to Palo Alto, so the choice was D1. You could search and find a decent '93 D90 for 20k ish now.
OK. So no doubt LR put the D1 into the market between D90 and RR. It also was purpose built. Purpose was mall crawling and potentially serious offroad capabilities. Trailing links, radius arms, differentials, axles, axles housings, transfer case, transmission, engine all the same.
If I would have started with a D90, I would have done bumpers, skids, sliders, winch. All the same stuff I did to my D1. About the only thing that would have been easier would be if I wanted to run 37s or 40s.
I agree with the body, but I have not had a D90 on its side. All I can say is that the damage that happened when I put my D1 on it side was minimal. A dented door. Unfortunately a fist size "punch" in the b-pillar that was irrepairable.
Those were the days. I no longer challenge my vehicle and myself with tough trails. Maybe if I get another space or two of garage, I can get a purpose built vehicle, but I would probably do a Power Wagon.
I do really respect you going for the Grenadier.
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