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bri said:
Not so. I bought a new 1995 Discovery. I believe that it was SE7. Not 100% sure. The D90 in San Jose CA at the time was optioned and dealer stickered within $1,000 of my D1 and Jeep Grand Cherokee. I was trading in a Wrangler and D90 did not appeal to the wife who had to commute San Jose to Palo Alto, so the choice was D1. You could search and find a decent '93 D90 for 20k ish now.
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I’ve never been in the new LR market. It’s just been my experience that I can buy a D1/2 for 3k to 8k ( I know that’s finally starting to change ) but a project 110 will be 25k or better. A nice one seems to be around 50 more.
 
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Defender and D1 are nearly the same mechanically, with the exception of the steering links, gear ratios, and rear Salisbury axle on 110/130.

A D1 has more robust body construction IMO. A Defender's body panels are one gauge too thin (~.040") and very flat which results in low rigidity and high NVH. A Defender is bolted, riveted, and spot welded together. The same is true with a D1, but with bias more towards welded and seam sealed, and the panels are curved which makes them more rigid. I'd have to measure, but wouldn't surprised if D1 panels were thicker too.

However, the Defender body design lends itself far better to utilitarian purposes. It can be reconfigured into any shape necessary, has better ground clearance, better tire clearance, and panels are more easily replaced.
 
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ERover82 said:
A D1 has more robust body construction IMO.
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Is your opinion based on any facts?
You can safely stand on a Series/Defender front fenders, parts of the roof, and the hood.
Any force over 30 lbs applied to corresponding D1/D2/RRC body panels will be met with ... plastic deformation.
FWIW, I stood on corresponding Grenadier body parts to no observable deformation.

Once again, as a person who bought five Classics under a total of 23k (or under 2/3 of the purchase price of a D1 or LR4), I understand the CB aspect of dissing the Grenadier. But whoever asserts any mechanical or electrical faults without a first-hand knowledge... shut up.
 
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My opinion is only based on my experience working on both, so that probably doesn't qualify as facts. I explained my observations above. Series trucks used thicker Al which helped greatly when standing on their wings, or in any other durability test. Defender wings are reasonably strong with either tread plate or the FFR-style inner reinforcement plates, but without those they're ridiculously flimsy (0.030" Al IIRC). I have no doubt a Grenadier is stronger than both.

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Once again, as a person who bought five Classics under a total of 23k (or under 2/3 of the purchase price of a D1 or LR4), I understand the CB aspect of dissing the Grenadier. But whoever asserts any mechanical or electrical faults without a first-hand knowledge... shut up.
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I must have missed something. Not sure what the CB aspect is or who you're talking to.
 
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ERover82 said:
My opinion is only based on my experience working on both, so that probably doesn't qualify as facts. I explained my observations above. Series trucks used thicker Al which helped greatly when standing on their wings, or in any other durability test. Defender wings are reasonably strong with either tread plate or the FFR-style inner reinforcement plates, but without those they're ridiculously flimsy (0.030" Al IIRC). I have no doubt a Grenadier is stronger than both.



I must have missed something. Not sure what the CB aspect is or who you're talking to.
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Oh... that's a classic Discoweb term. Means Cheap Bastard, and describes me to a tee.
I could not afford a 110 <then>, can't afford it now, hence the Grenadier.
 
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I have an exMoD IIa 109. The wings are reinforced from below, so stronger than a normal Series config and even stronger than the Defender front wing.

Should have my Gren in my drive this week.
 
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I remember the Grenadier rep talking about the body panels and their sturdiness. The horizontal areas are meant to hold a person (i.e., standing, sitting) and the doors and sides with the tracks are meant to actually hold weight.
 
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p m said:
Oh... that's a classic Discoweb term. Means Cheap Bastard, and describes me to a tee.
I could not afford a 110 <then>, can't afford it now, hence the Grenadier.
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Well. I am sure you also considered that buying a defender now would be buying ancient technology when compared to Grenadier. It was a wise choice!
 
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This could be the point where those of us who dropped out start the kicking ourself in the ass process. Will be intetresting to see where this lands.
 
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Howski said:
Land Rover EAS would’ve been clutch…
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Just flip the switch to "Condo Height" and turn the Terrain Response dial to "Silken Concrete Slab."

Just don't let the HOA board president see you slide a piece of cardboard under the vehicle to keep oil leaks off the pristine floor.
 
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RVR OVR said:
Until that time you forget to use it.
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This reminds me of an expensive mistake I watched a driver make a few years ago. Guy entered a parking garage and had a really nice tandem bike securely mounted to his roof rack. The sound of the metal twisting and crunching made me cringe - even at 5mph the damage was extensive. I was passing by on the sidewalk when it happened, the look on his face was pure agony and embarrassment. I felt for him. That could have been me.

I keep a card inside the driver's sun visor in both Rovers with the actual height measurements for reference so I can avoid parking garages for which the vehicles are too tall. Which is most of them around here. Aftermarket springs + oversized tires + roof rack = limited options.
 
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RVR OVR said:
Until that time you forget to use it.
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You can also tweak it a bit. Have mine set where I can fit in a 7’ garages at home and work at standard height. If it hasn’t self leveled it’ll bump every once in awhile…
 
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