INEOS Grenadier
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TPMS sensors have been a federal mandate since '07, and they are supposed to trip at 10% variance from whatever the set pressure is. There's certain things you just can't do without these days if you want to build a vehicle and sell it to the public.
Are you comparing it to real-world numbers or EPA quotes or what the vehicle's computer tells you? Because the last two are lies.
The laws of physics are difficult to violate. An Expedition has drag coefficient similar to the Grenadier - most of them are in the ballpark of 0.4-0.45, and an EcoBoost is just as much of a internal combustion engine as a B57.
You can bitch all you want. It is a true workhorse vehicle compared to anything on the market, including every Jeep model and excluding every Land Rover model because they don't hold a candle. An electronics mess it is - but not due to fundamental design, but due to our glorious government's regulations.
TPMS can be defeated, even at the cost of a dashboard light.
Is that right?
Defender Gear shifting Guide in detail for a beginner
I want to know what reads the attachment in detail. what are speed limits in attachment? When using a defender how to shift to engage "diff lock" as per the attachment kindly explain. should I depress the clutch with small gear lever as main gear? When to put small gear lever in Neutral position,...
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I took a look at Fuelly.com https://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/expedition/2022
Some of those could be Expedition Max's which are bigger and heavier. The averages skew higher than 14.x.
I've had two F150s with Ecoboost engines. One with the 3.5, had tons of power, but still more boost than eco. Another with the 2.7 which is about as efficient as it gets for a large vehicle, but the difference in real world mixed driving between the two was less than 1 MPG. Both are only marginally better than my LR3 and LR4, but that's probably due more to the F150s weighing 700LBs less.
The only way vehicles like the Grenadier are going to be meaningfully more efficient is hybrid or full electrification, but that involves a whole other set of compromises.
The only way vehicles like the Grenadier are going to be meaningfully more efficient is hybrid or full electrification, but that involves a whole other set of compromises.
I seriously doubt these datapoints are coming from mileage logs and pump readings. Most likely, these are also ECU-produced.
I will try to maintain the gas mileage log (till I forget), to get a more realistic picture. Comparing to other vehicles - in the same conditions (mostly very fast highway mileage), LR4 would have been at the same number around 14 mpg. My Classic simply couldn't maintain the same pace/speed; my [former] other Classic would be in high-11s.
In new news, looks like selling of new Grenadiers at a profit is not going to be a thing....Didn't get over 75k or meet reserve.
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I don't look at it like bitching. If that's the way it seems I'd say that's due to the nuancelessnes (is that a word) of the internet. And the above poster pointed out something I didn't know, that TPMS was mandated. And it's not just this vehicle. I thought I might be interested in the Bronco, but it's the same thing, with all the modes and push button shit.You can bitch all you want. It is a true workhorse vehicle compared to anything on the market, including every Jeep model and excluding every Land Rover model because they don't hold a candle. An electronics mess it is - but not due to fundamental design, but due to our glorious government's regulations.
TPMS can be defeated, even at the cost of a dashboard light.
Is that right?
Defender Gear shifting Guide in detail for a beginner
I want to know what reads the attachment in detail. what are speed limits in attachment? When using a defender how to shift to engage "diff lock" as per the attachment kindly explain. should I depress the clutch with small gear lever as main gear? When to put small gear lever in Neutral position,...
So a question. Given what the Defender and Grenadier sell for could not one find a solid (frame/body wise), say mid '90s Land Cruiser, or Discovery to stay true to this forum, and do a restore/modernization? I mean I don't need my rig to drive itself down a hill for me. Actually I kind of enjoy doing it myself.
Oh, and I defeated my TPMS. All it took was a new set of rims and tires and a little piece of black tape.
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That totally describes me pre-Grenadier. I thought fuck that, I can keep these things afloat forever for a fraction of money new vehicles cost.
But... I found myself working on my trucks every bloody weekend.
I still love driving my Classic. But after a mile a list of things I wanted to fix but didn't grows several weekends long - and that's on a truck that I drove to Colorado and back last September, and not a single thing broke on it.
The Grenadier drives refreshingly close to a Disco 1 (only faster).
The Classic was $3k when I bought it. Since then, I plowed about $16k into it, and a lot of work. Still, it doesn't make it a new vehicle.
A "restomod" by a third party to get some NAS or imported Defender anywhere close will cost you 100-200k plus easily. I say restomod because something comparable would have to have a new or heavily modified rover engine and a fully custom interior to be anywhere close to having the creature comforts the Ineos has.
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Of course you could buy something and pay make it mechanically sound, but it will still be slow as molasses and uncomfortable for any trip more than around the neighborhood by comparison and if you import, maybe right hand drive.
if you do this yourself and have anything else going on in your life it would probably take months or years and if you never done anytihng like it before, it would probably be worse than when you started in terms of maintenance and longevity.
Oh, and I defeated my TPMS. All it took was a new set of rims and tires and a little piece of black tape.
I deactivated TPMS on my LR3. All it took was 30 seconds with a computer to switch it off. Even cheaper than black tape and less janky.
Based on my own records of what I've replaced on my Disco and how much I've paid during my ownership, I'm confident you could do an extensive restoration on one for a lot less than $80,000. Particularly if you did the work yourself. At the end of it you'd still have a 1998 vehicle. Even my LR3, which is only 10 years younger than my D1, is a far more enjoyable drive in most conditions and even more capable off-road. And I have not modified it (other than larger tires it came with from previous owner). And my LR3 is 16 years old now.
I've driven the L405 and the L663, both are significant advancements in driving comfort and capability from the LR3 (L319). But they come with their own tradeoffs in complexity and utility. And those are tradeoffs that I just don't want to make right now. I'll keep the current fleet rolling. A Grenadier is the only serious candidate for replacing the LR3 when that time comes. Maybe other options will be worth considering by then.
on another note, a couple of grenadier owners asked bruce fowler if they could bring them to this years winter romp . should be interesting to see .
I have shopped (and I am still shopping) Defender 110s from the 1980s and 1990s till I am blue in the face. I want one. There are small shops that import them and polish the rough edges and sell them for a reasonable price. I've seen a lot of very very nice, rust-free 300Tdi examples from the early 90s in the $40-60K range. Then there are the other reno companies that put the asshat quilted charmin interiors in and charge $200K. That ain't me.A "restomod" by a third party to get some NAS or imported Defender anywhere close will cost you 100-200k plus easily. I say restomod because something comparable would have to have a new or heavily modified rover engine and a fully custom interior to be anywhere close to having the creature comforts the Ineos has.
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Of course you could buy something and pay make it mechanically sound, but it will still be slow as molasses and uncomfortable for any trip more than around the neighborhood by comparison and if you import, maybe right hand drive.
if you do this yourself and have anything else going on in your life it would probably take months or years and if you never done anytihng like it before, it would probably be worse than when you started in terms of maintenance and longevity.
The main problem is what you said: "but it will still be slow as molasses and uncomfortable for any trip more than around the neighborhood by comparison". I just can't get by with a 100-something horsepower slug that can't haul it's own ass up a hill. And I need air conditioning.
I think I'll buy a new truck this year and have a tamer off-roader as compared to the LR4 but a reliable daily driver as opposed to the LR4. Then I'll look for a decent rust-free 110 and plan on having a shop swap it to an LS engine.
I've thrown a bit of wrench in the works by falling in love with a 2014 911 S at a local dealer that I'm about to plunk $50K down on when I get back from Mexico.
I have drooled over those good looking 40-60k rigs as well. Somebody in my neighborhood has a showroom new 110, but it mainly sits the garage. That's fine for him but not for me.
Aren't you looking at the new Land Cruiser or GX? To me, those are going to kill it with the right amount of capability and the right price point.
A 911...well, that's a whole different dialog. Enjoy that for sure.
Yes I am still waiting for the Lexus GX550. I visited my local Lexus dealer and the 19 year old chick who knew absolutely nothing about the truck said they think they will arrive in May and I could put $1000 non-refundable to reserve one. The GM repeated what she said and offered nothing more. These people sell over-priced luxury cars to the retired golfing crowd and that's all they do. Completely unimpressed with the dealer.
I am excited to see the new Land Cruiser. That might fit the bill at around $60K for a good one. The Lexus GX550 will be $70K+ for a good one. A nice, new, warrantied and dependable Land Cruiser decked out for off-road and a nice, some-what new 911 as a daily driver might work out well.
That would indeed be a good combo. Kinda like when I got married I thought my wife would drive the minivan and I get the sports car. That instead was an SUV but it turns out she has ended up with the sports car and I drive around the old truck jalopies now that the kids have grown. Happy wife, happy life!