Its that time of the year

seventyfive

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mountain hardwear was great years ago (generation 1 stuff, i still have a MH vest from 13 years ago. the last MH jacket i bought is 2 years old and is a piece of shit....not to mention they started cutting their clothes and jackets for heavier people instead of more fitted for actually using it while climbing, backpacking etc....which is to say selling to the masses for style versus function).

be careful with Arc'teryx. they are starting to introduce metro-casual lines now, so will the quality be sacrificed? i do have a bunch of arc'teryx shirts, because they fit properly and take some abuse. Arc'teryx jackets are great, especially the fit and mobility, BUT their soft shell and hard shell jackets are designed for using them for their purpose i.e. they are thin and you really need to layer for them to keep you warm while wheeling or hanging out at night around camp.

the patagonia R3 or R4 monkey fleece jackets have spandex where it needs to be for mobility while doing something active, but are pretty damn warm......and to get an Arc'teryx jacket comparable to the warmth you'll spend twice the money. You'll always think twice about crawling under the truck with the Arc'teryx jacket on when you remember how much you paid for it.

matt hines has an arc'teryx jacket. see what he says about his jacket at ure.
 

Howski

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Since we're kinda on the topic, anyone got suggestions for rain jackets? My North Face, which I wasn't impressed with, is pretty trashed. Looking for something that will be light enough to wear in the summer too
 

Tugela

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Y'all is wack. The shiz is Beyond. Hand made right here in Seattle. I bought a jacket from them a few years ago, it was custom tailored to my exact measurements. Like a Savile Row tailored suit but for the mountains. Unbelievably excellent, I have never owned a better jacket. As a mountaineering guide and outdoor retail professional for a combined 10 years I have worn a few jackets in my day. This was the best.

http://www.beyondclothing.com/

Their website appears to be undergoing revisions at the moment but they do have a phone number. Give 'em a ring.
 

Tugela

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Goretex paclite is the way to go.

Paclite sucks balls. It's the perfect fabric for people who have more money than sense. Might as well just cut some holes in a garbage bag and wear that. It doesn't breathe worth a damn and its cost-to-performance value is one of the biggest rip-offs in the outdoor industry. If you want something that light there are many alternative jackets that weigh the same, breathe about the same or better, and cost a fraction of Paclite. I had a Paclite jacket for a while and it was the worst piece of raingear I have ever owned. My Boy Scout poncho was better.
 

rover4x4

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Since we're kinda on the topic, anyone got suggestions for rain jackets? My North Face, which I wasn't impressed with, is pretty trashed. Looking for something that will be light enough to wear in the summer too

I have one of the XCR Arcteryx shells that has served me very well for nearly seven years. That being said I only wear it to the mall.
 

Some Dude

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Paclite sucks balls.
I'll agree with that, but not because I've had ingress/breathability issues with it. My gripe is it's too thin to be durable. It's the perfect shell for someone who has $400 to spend on an emergency jacket to shove in their ultra-lite backpacking setup.

Proshell is a different story.
 

seventyfive

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Paclite sucks balls. It's the perfect fabric for people who have more money than sense. Might as well just cut some holes in a garbage bag and wear that. It doesn't breathe worth a damn and its cost-to-performance value is one of the biggest rip-offs in the outdoor industry. If you want something that light there are many alternative jackets that weigh the same, breathe about the same or better, and cost a fraction of Paclite. I had a Paclite jacket for a while and it was the worst piece of raingear I have ever owned. My Boy Scout poncho was better.

i forgot, this is the internet so let me better explain my post. what i should have typed was

'a good option for layering is paclite. personally i like to have a vest, that fits snug and has windstopper fabric. when it gets cold, i put on a good fleece. a snug fitting windstopper vest will keep your torso warm and the fleece jacket will keep your body heat in and keep your arms a bit warmer. god forbid it rains, i can pull a paclite out of pocket and keep the fleece dry.....that way the fleece can stay dry and do it's job. the second it stops raining, i can pull the paclite off, snap a couple times, and pack it back into my pocket or glove box.'

OR i can

1) buy several different jackets for different temperatures with gore tex, so in the chance it does rain my body wont get wet.

2) cut holes in a garbage bag and sweat my nuts off.

3) wear a boy scout poncho.


tugela,
instead of just ranting on, why not offer your advice? obviously you know better options, so what are they? what options are better and where can we find them?
 
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seventyfive

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I'll agree with that, but not because I've had ingress/breathability issues with it. My gripe is it's too thin to be durable. It's the perfect shell for someone who has $400 to spend on an emergency jacket to shove in their ultra-lite backpacking setup.

Proshell is a different story.

a marmot paclite hoody is $200, even less on steep and cheap.

a proshell marmot hoody is $575, almost 300% more than a paclite jacket.

where did you come up with the $400?

yes a paclite is not super durable, but if you're looking for a very durable gore tex jacket you'll have how many jackets for how many situations? thats why i always have preferred layering.

if i need to get under my truck, on the trail, then i will throw my carharrt on.............................but i guarantee im not going to get under my truck when it's raining!

lets be honest, we're not offshore fisherman, high power linemen out west, etc. we're posers riding in over priced land rovers, so our attire should fit our image.:)
 

Some Dude

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a marmot paclite hoody is $200, even less on steep and cheap.

a proshell marmot hoody is $575, almost 300% more than a paclite jacket.

where did you come up with the $400?
Paclite and Proshell were comparably priced when I bought my jacket 3 or 4 years ago. It's Arcteryx so I probably got ripped off.

we're posers riding in over priced land rovers, so our attire should fit our image.:)
...aaaaaand back to Filson.
 

hafaday

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I have nothing to contribute here..

I just try to stay dry as long as i can, then I get wet. Wet an cold in the winter sucks balls. I do try to layer up, but working outside year around, can make this difficult sometimes. I still layer, just thinner stuff and carry another jacket and shirt in the work truck.

Some of this stuff y'all have posted is nice, but will do me no good on the job. so, I get wet.

Summertime.. who cares.