Kneeling NFL players

aliastel

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Army doesn't count!

Fwiw my 11 year old son wears his smokey the bear Resist t shirt. Yes I too am raising thinkers not followers. That's about all we really can do. You and I aren't going to change a 30 year old resnecks mind but we can raise our children to be open minded empathetic critical thinkers. As long as you keep them away from social media and advertising they have a fighting chance.

Ha! I'll have to tell you about the time we stole the Marine Corps guidon from their HQ. . . And the first time I ever saw Marines with their sleeves rolled down. . .

David
 

number9

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Taking a stand for civil rights, it is what it is.

IMO it's poor way to take stand, shows disrespect of many people/things and does more to divide people than to help civil rights in the US. Douche bag Trump loves to stir shit and make things worse.

If against any organized sport's Policy and Procedures the participants should be fined/disciplined according to the P&P.

Consumers have the right to voice their opinions by how they spend their money on the sports.

The beat goes on.
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brian4d

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They don't have first amendment rights while being paid by their employer.
My employer certainly wouldn't allow politcal protest on comany time. Hell, I'm actually not allowed to sit while out in the public eye.

That's exactly right. Goodell's okay with wifebeaters, and denying all types of free speech but if you want to kneel for the Anthem go right ahead. He's an idiot and I predict he'll step down within 2 months from all this shit. People are pissed and have every right. Goodell is a blathering idiot, done with the NFL, at least until all this is straightened out. Protest during the countries anthem that afforded you Millions, what a joke.
 

brian4d

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They most certainly have their First Amendment rights on or off the job.

It's a different subject entirely whether it is ethical to use a very public forum provided by their employer to express their political views, and most employers would disapprove. But NFL's like Hollywood.

I honestly can't grasp the significance of the whole thing. Is it patriotic to sing a national anthem before the game? Yes it is. Would it be unpatriotic not to sing it? No, it wouldn't be. It is just much a recent tradition as "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Would I consider a good taste to stand up during the anthem? Yes I would. But if somebody doesn't - I don't know the reasons and I couldn't care less.

So you'd kneel down in the break room protesting bad hotdogs in front of your boss? Not being a smartass, just painting a picture. Workers on strike don't get paid last I checked.
 

SGaynor

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Sounds like somebody got their ass chewed for doing the rite thing.

Then you know nothing about AV and the Steelers. Last year when all this kneeling was starting, a couple of Steelers were interviewed and one said (paraphrasing), that NO ONE on the team would be kneeling due to the respect they had for AV and his service, and not one Steeler has. The Rooneys are as patriotic as they get (Dan Rooney was an ambassador to Ireland).

This shit is just been blown all out of proportion.

For crying out loud, at any given pro sports game, how many people have their hats on during the anthem? How many are in line getting nachos and beer? taking a piss? Or even at your local HS football game?

And the guy "defending the flag to honor veterans!" is the guy who insults veterans, did everything his daddy could buy to avoid any kind of service and insulted a gold star family by saying he "scarificed. I work very, very hard."

Give me a break. Those getting all riled up by Trump over this are just being played like fools.
 

SGaynor

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My wife is a middle school teacher. This year's issue is girls dressing like whores. Get this, girls wearing those shorts where the ass cheeks literally hang out with no underwear. If a teacher mentions ANYTHING to the child the school's administration gets a shit storm. Why? Not due to the teachers union or county school board but due to being sued by the PARENT.

Your wife works in the wrong school district. My son's school dress code said no ripped pants. And no shorts more than a dollar bill width above the knee cap.

http://www2.btcs.org/ths/DRESS_CODE.pdf
 

seventyfive

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What, exactly, is proper workplace attire?


to quote tom segura 'see how im standing here talking to you with my dick INSIDE my pants? that's normal'

seriously though, depends on the workplace. maybe your boss allows a fuck you t-shirt, purple man bun, latex hot pants, and thigh high go go boots. if you think that's proper attire in a workplace you must work in a strip club not a engineering company.

proper workplace attire is attire that projects a positive image and eliminates distraction. fwiw, i was skater growing up and listened to new york city hardcore before it became emo drama core...but i still wore khakis and a polo. people generally take you a little more serious when you dont look like a clown who needs constant attention.
 

robertf

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seriously though, depends on the workplace. maybe your boss allows a fuck you t-shirt, purple man bun, latex hot pants, and thigh high go go boots. if you think that's proper attire in a workplace you must work in a strip club not a engineering company.

Strip club DJ wears a suit, most of the people in my group wear a marathon finisher shirt and 511 pants.
 

emmodg

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Dress like a gentleman at work. If you really don't know what that means - I feel sorry for you.
 

pinkytoe69

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Dress like a gentleman at work. If you really don't know what that means - I feel sorry for you.

Does that mean long pants, long sleeves, a collar and closed toed shoes?

If so, how does any of that shit positively affect the quality of my work?
 

brian4d

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Does that mean long pants, long sleeves, a collar and closed toed shoes?

If so, how does any of that shit positively affect the quality of my work?

It doesn't. My company owner told me to never wear a business suit in the office ever again the day I got hired. He's old school as well, an ex-IBM'er.
 

jim-00-4.6

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Does that mean long pants, long sleeves, a collar and closed toed shoes?

If so, how does any of that shit positively affect the quality of my work?
Our company policy is "show blacks" unless we're in a venue with a "more strict" dress code.
Black polo shirt, black pants (not "dress" pants, but not "Dickies" either), black (shine-able) shoes (no sneakers), no visible ink.

Here's how that "shit" affects the quality of your work:
If you think you should be allowed to wear what-the-fuck-ever you want while I'm paying you, you don't have the focus and maturity to understand that "it's not about you".
Grow the fuck up.
Call me in 10 years.

When I was an immature dolt in my 20s, I had a ponytail.
Some people were not ok with hiring me, even though I was very skilled in my field.
I could have cut my hair.
They could have changed their rules.

Eventually, I grew up, and figured out that people's perceptions are oftentimes more important than reality.

I don't give a flying fuck what you do when you're on your own time.
But I expect you to show up on time (on time is late, early is on time).
I expect you to be focused on the task at hand.

"I can do that with a twat knob."
"I can work in shorts."
Sure you can, just not with me.

I could do my job naked.
But it would be distracting, and not contribute to the overall success of the endeavor.
See? It's not all about me, either.

And the nfl girls can do what ever the fuck they want, idgaf.
First Amendment protections do not directly extend to the workplace.
Wearing that uniform (like me wearing a black polo with my employer's name on it) pretty much implies I'm representing the company.
I'm not an asshole generally, so I won't act like an asshole while "representing" my employer.
That would be like driving a company truck with the name plastered on the side, and cutting people off and being a dick. Not OK.

It doesn't need to be explicitly spelled out for me that my employer would be less than pleased with me if i were to wear a company-logoed shirt, and stand on the street and yell "Trump's an ASS! Hillary is a BITCH!"
Because I'm not a fucking retard.
The company gives no fucks what i do when i'm wearing a "I Heart Land Rovers" shirt.

You want to protest whatever it is you're protesting?
Go ahead.
Do it on YOUR time, not while you're being paid to do something by someone.
Unless your actual PAID gig is to be a protester.
 

Blue

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These thoughtful and sensitive NFL players surely do have the freedom to express themselves and take a knee or sit during the national anthem. This is a RIGHT that is one of the defining principles of this great country. Anyone can sit out the national anthem, anyone can give the middle finger to the flag, anyone can even burn the flag. Of course, doing so pretty much makes you a cunt, and that is my freedom of speech.