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apg said:
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...and I guess by comparison the present administration is all skittles'n'beer....

The Bush administration is *light years* beyond the former in corruption, scandal, cronyism, and outright incompetence. Try doing a Google search on Dubya and "scandal". 7,500,000 hits and counting. No, this administration will go down in history as the most corrupt, inept in US history. Worse than Warring Harding and "the Ohio gang" that brought us Teapot Dome, worse than Buchannan, worse than Grant.

Try...just for once...to answer the following question WITHOUT cut'n'pasting from Freepers or some other web site. C'mon, I can see you are on line now...in yer own bloody words: What has this administration gotten right? Anything? Something?

Here is a person who took an oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" but then referred to it in a fit of pique as "just a God-damned piece of paper."

:banghead:

Sure, easy. The source of President Bush's supposed comment was Capital Hill Blue, not one of your more reliable sources. From snopes

Claim: The current U.S. Congress includes several dozen members who have committed various crimes and other acts of moral turpitude.

. . . . What appears in the original Capitol Hill Blue articles doesn't exactly validate the list by any responsible journalistic standards. . . . .​

To the best of my knowledge the journalistic community is still waiting for them to verify the article. Ever wonder why the only community that is hysterical over the Capital Hill Blue article is the radical left wing?

Which brings us to Google searches. Do a search on those words and all you will get is left wing, communist, radical hits. No balance. Mmmmmm, wonder why? It's called Googlebombing.

A Google bomb or Google washer is a certain attempt to influence the ranking of a given page in results returned by the Google search engine . . . .

. . . . Googlebombing as political activism

Obviously, some of the most famous google bombs are also expressions of political opinion (e.g. "liar" leading to Blair or "failure" leading to Bush.) In general, one of the keys to Google's popularity has been its ability to capture what ordinary web citizens believe to be important via the information provided in webpage links. However, Google is unable to stop organized or commercial exploitation of their algorithms . . . .​

So your millions of hits on Dubya and scandal are simply childish attempts at creating a perception that there is a significant number of scandals associated with President Bush. Sorry most people have figured that out a long time ago.

The 90's stand on their own. History will not be kind.
 

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You can't do it....without cutting and pasting from somewhere or "spinning". Deny and deflect. The task was to use your own words. "Most people figured that out a long time ago..." You mean like the approval ratings/poll numbers that get lower with every survey? Only Nixon - and Carter - were ever this low during their administrations. Good company there.

Don't take it too bad. I posed a similar question to the local chairman of the Republican party on election day. Encountered him outside one of the polls...as I had not yet voted, I asked him to name just ONE REASON to vote FOR Dubya and not against the other guy. One success, one time he got it right. I said if he could do that, I'd vote Republican.

The guy was speechless....

As Mark Twain said, "It's not the stuff that we know that gets us in trouble, it's stuff we know for sure - and isn't so."

I'm amazed by the people who still believe this President. By definition, these are sheeple who will believe anything. And if you still believe George is doing a good job, I've got some, ummm, *waterfront* land in Florida I want to sell you. I'm not sure his numbers can get much lower as those remaining would give him credit for creating jobs even if he burned down the White House.

And I stand on my Google number from yesterday... "Results 1 - 10 of about 6,980,000 for scandal "george w. bush". (0.14 seconds) "

Spin that....
 
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And I stand on my Google number from yesterday... "Results 1 - 10 of about 6,980,000 for scandal "george w. bush". (0.14 seconds) "

Spin that....

No spin, just proud of you to verify what you say.
 

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You can't do it....without cutting and pasting from somewhere or "spinning". Deny and deflect. The task was to use your own words. "Most people figured that out a long time ago..." You mean like the approval ratings/poll numbers that get lower with every survey? Only Nixon - and Carter - were ever this low during their administrations. Good company there.

Don't take it too bad. I posed a similar question to the local chairman of the Republican party on election day. Encountered him outside one of the polls...as I had not yet voted, I asked him to name just ONE REASON to vote FOR Dubya and not against the other guy. One success, one time he got it right. I said if he could do that, I'd vote Republican.

The guy was speechless....

As Mark Twain said, "It's not the stuff that we know that gets us in trouble, it's stuff we know for sure - and isn't so."

I'm amazed by the people who still believe this President. By definition, these are sheeple who will believe anything. And if you still believe George is doing a good job, I've got some, ummm, *waterfront* land in Florida I want to sell you. I'm not sure his numbers can get much lower as those remaining would give him credit for creating jobs even if he burned down the White House.

And I stand on my Google number from yesterday... "Results 1 - 10 of about 6,980,000 for scandal "george w. bush". (0.14 seconds) "

Spin that....

Can't do what? The source of the quote is suspect and the mainstream media, which has been shown to be left leaning, hasn't jumped all over the apparent quote attributed to Bush. Since none of us were in the room how else are you suppose to discuss an issue? Sounds like more emotional Bush Lied! stuff. Everthing you said sounds like DNC talking points.

If you look beyond the noise from the Left, President Bush's "scandals" are all manufactured political attacks, no real meat. Why? Because the left still hasn't gotten over losing in 2000. I've said this before, as long as the Democrat Party continues to focus on the past and panders to the anti-war left it will have a very difficult time winning political offices. That party has yet to offer any new ideas on issues that face the United States. It continues to claim there are numerous Bush scandals when there are none. So while I'm not happy with some of President Bush's positions on some issues, I have yet to see anything from the Left that is coherent and unites this country. What I have seen is Bush Lied! and continued attempts to maintain the plantation. A Divide and Conquer strategy.

If you step back and look at the political landscape the neo-Conservatives, which currently hold power within the Republican Party, are former right leaning hawkish liberals. That fine line of moderates who can lean either way. True conservatives do not hold power in the Republican Party. So it is interesting that the anti-war left is attacking the neo-conservative middle. Maybe it speaks to how far left this country has drifted. Pendulem's usually swing both ways. That would say we have farther to go in the conservative direction. I'm not speaking in religious terms but in political terms.
 

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MarkP said:
If you look beyond the noise from the Left, President Bush's "scandals" are all manufactured political attacks, no real meat.

This is either wishful thinking, or absolute ignorance.
 

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Still haven't heard of any President Bush scandals that are real, not manufactured or simply political attacks.

If you want scandals try Federal and State spending. But that's not just President Bush. Try 50+ years of New Deal and Great Society spending. Eight trillion in debt and that doesn't include state government retirement and pension plans and state deficit spending.

That is the scandal.
 

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Deny, deflect, attack. SOP for this administration.

And you STILL haven't answered the question I have posed to you at least a dozen times now. Name just one bloody thing G & Co. has gotten right.
 
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Name just one bloody thing G & Co. has gotten right.


Highest ranking Minories. Never before has a Black Woman held such a high office in Government.

And, to think, Black people think Democrats are going to help them suceed.:banghead:

Edit, Opps, oh Yeah. No terrorist attacks on our soil since 9-11. I bet that was just by accident though,eh?
 
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One reason to vote FOR Dubya.

I don't need a reason. Primarily because my "vote" is just a pat on the back. I could vote for Sadaam Houssein, and it wouldn't matter. I love the "Well, I didn't vote for him" statements. That doesn't mean a thing.

Get on TV, raise money, lobby, and rock the boat and you have expressed your disgust. Vote for someone else, and you have only stomped your foot and complained for the record.

If my vote actually counted, and I had to give a reason, I'd have plenty of them.

We have controvercy now. We have action. We have a president that uses all of his powers instead of safely sitting on them. Movement precludes stagnation, and wheather it is in the right direction on the wrong direction, movement increases awareness, highlights the faults of our nation, and provokes solutions.

America not only needed these wars, it needed Bush. It was high time to stir the international pot.

The united nations has been put in the spotlight, and that is definately a good thing, our over paperworked government has ben put there as well, and that is also a good thing. Our weaknesses have been exposed, and our strengths illuminated once again.

This world will never be utopia. You either drop the hammer every once in a while or it is dropped on you. The absolute worst situation is isolationism. We have to get our hands dirty once and a while to show who is boss.

With the good, you get the bad, and with a lot of good you get a lot of bad. Bush has some wonderful traits, and some terrible faults.

At least he bloody has them.

Besides, what other president would say this: "We have no beef with Iran." :)

Cheers,

Kennith
 

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Deny, deflect, attack. SOP for this administration.

And you STILL haven't answered the question I have posed to you at least a dozen times now. Name just one bloody thing G & Co. has gotten right.

This didn't take long because I've posted most of the following several times.

Got Right

Assembled the most diverse administration in history
Accurately characterized the war on terror as a long and hopefully a contained confrontation with extremist within the Islamic religion.
Removed Taliban in Afghanistan
Operation Iraqi Freedom
Exposed UN Oil-for-Food (OFF) corruption
Halted Saddam's development of WMD that leveraged OFF corruption
Eliminated Al Qaeda training grounds
Eliminated funding of Palastinian terrorist
Significantly reduced Al Qaeda funding operations
Significantly diminshed Al Qaeda's ability to operate
Did not support Yasser Arafat
Broke the Middle East nuclear blackmarket
Libya's about-face
Surrounded Iran
Neutralized North Korea
Tried to rebuild the CIA that has been in decline since President Carter and was a source of intelligence failures.
Tore down intelligence walls erected by a corrupt previous adiminstratiion that lead to the success of the Sept 11 hijackers.
Cut Taxes which stimulated economic growth after it began to turn down in 2000 and was dealt a blow by Sept 11th.
Very low unemployment rate
Prosecuted Enron
Investigated Fannie Mae. This should be prosecuted.
Proposed reforming Social Security
Proposed workable solution to immigration problem.

Got Wrong

Significant non-military Federal spending increases
Significant medicare expansion
Enabled a Sept 11 commission that will be characterized by history as a failure.
Pissed off the leftist media but hey, they are in significant decline anyway.
 

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Man, you REALLY DON'T GET IT...and I doubt you ever will.

I said in your own freakin' words, not something you dredged up and cut'n'pasted off of freepers, ferchrissakes....

Some of those "got its" are just plain laughable.

"Accurately characterized the war on terror as a long and hopefully a contained confrontation with extremist within the Islamic religion." The term "long war" was created only recently to spin the increasingly-bad situation in Iraq. Need I remind you of some of the prior spin from "the gang that couldn't shoot straight"

"I believe demolishing Hussein's military power and liberating Iraq will be a cakewalk." - Defense policy board member Ken Aldeman, 2/13/02.

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." - Vice President Dick Cheney, 8/26/02.

"We do know that (Saddam) is actively pursuing a nuclear weapon." -National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, 9/10/02.

"It is not knowable how long that conflict would last. It could last, you know, six days or six weeks. I doubt six months." -Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, speaking to US troops in Italy, 2/7/03.

"My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." -Dick Cheney, speaking on "Meet the Press," 3/16/03.

"We're dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon." -Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, in a message to Congress on 3/27/03.

"We know where they (the weapons) are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, north and south somewhat." -Secretary Rumsfeld, 3/30/03.

"Iraq will not require sustained aid." -OMB Director Mitch Daniels, 3/28/03. A year earlier, Daniels had dismissed initial cost estimates of $100 to $200 billion for the war, stating to the Wall Street Journal that it would be no more that $50 to $60 billion.

"Major combat operations have ended." -President George W. Bush, 5/1/03, standing in front of the ‘mission accomplished' banner on the flight deck of the Lincoln.

"A year from now, I'd be surprised if there's not some grand square in Baghdad that is named after President Bush." -Richard Perle, chairman Defense Policy Board, in a luncheon keynote address on 9/22/03. Earlier, Pearle advocated invading Iraq with only 40,000 troops, despite Gen Eric Shinseki's pleas for 250,000. Hey? Who knows better? Someone who has never served a day in uniform or a four-star?

"I would anticipate you're going to see an escalation of violence...Insurgencies tend to go on five, six, eight, ten, twelve years." -Secretary Rumsfeld speaking to Fox News, June 20, 2005. That, unfortunately, is quite correct. See below:

"Removed Taliban in Afghanistan"...not yet
"Operation Iraqi Freedom"...how many years now, and the place is in worse shape?
"Eliminated Al Qaeda training grounds"...seems to me we have created more.
"Broke the Middle East nuclear blackmarket"...there was one?
"Surrounded Iran"...Best Dr. Phil voice: "So, how's that working out for you?"
"Neutralized North Korea"...don't we wish....
"Tore down intelligence walls erected by a corrupt previous adiminstratiion that lead to the success of the Sept 11 hijackers." And if these knuckleheads even bothered to read some of the intelligence briefings they already had in hand, maybe 9/11 wouldn't have happened. Oh, but it's that reading thing again. Some folks don't do it....

"I refuse to get into a battle of wits with a clearly unarmed person." Mark Twain

And Kennith opined "America not only needed these wars, it needed Bush. It was high time to stir the international pot."

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." Hermann Goring - Nuremberg Trials
 
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Highest ranking Minories. Never before has a Black Woman held such a high office in Government.

And, to think, Black people think Democrats are going to help them suceed.:banghead:

Edit, Opps, oh Yeah. No terrorist attacks on our soil since 9-11. I bet that was just by accident though,eh?


This post slip past you APG?
 

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I said in your own freakin' words, not something you dredged up and cut'n'pasted off of freepers, ferchrissakes....

Those were my own words. Sorry for speaking in bullets but that's the real business world, not long rambling nothings. :D

apg said:
"Accurately characterized the war on terror as a long and hopefully a contained confrontation with extremist within the Islamic religion." The term "long war" was created only recently to spin the increasingly-bad situation in Iraq. Need I remind you of some of the prior spin from "the gang that couldn't shoot straight"

The "long war" was characterized by the blogesphere a long time before President Bush was in office. Other administrations were trying to ignore the elephant in the room. In Bin Laden terms he's been fighting since the 7th century. Where have you been? Try reading Winston Churchills "The River War", published in 1899, to get a feel for the issues.

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities — but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."​

apg said:
"I believe demolishing Hussein's military power and liberating Iraq will be a cakewalk." - Defense policy board member Ken Aldeman, 2/13/02.

As for demolishing Saddam's military, in relative terms, it was a cakewalk. But like any other war the aftermath takes years. How long did cleaning up after the previous world wars take? Try years.

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"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." - Vice President Dick Cheney, 8/26/02.

"We do know that (Saddam) is actively pursuing a nuclear weapon." -National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, 9/10/02.

Same words Democrats were using prior to OIF. Recent post war document translations very that fact. Intelligence, as in poor shape as ours was, also has come to the same conclusion. They did find WMD, just not massive quantities. So are they in Syria or Russia?

Pre-War Docs

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"It is not knowable how long that conflict would last. It could last, you know, six days or six weeks. I doubt six months." -Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, speaking to US troops in Italy, 2/7/03.

The duration was accurate. We are now fighting an Iran proxy war.

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"My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." -Dick Cheney, speaking on "Meet the Press," 3/16/03.

We were. I guess you must have missed:

An Iraqi mayor has written a dramatic letter to the commander of coalition forces, praising U.S. troops as "lion hearts" and "knights" for liberating his city from al Qaeda terrorists.

The emotional letter from gallant Tal' Afar Mayor Najim Abdullah Abid Al-Jibouri to Gen. George Casey is circulating among military families over the Internet and has created a surge of pride in troops.

Al-Jibouri's letter calls soldiers of the 3rd Cavalry Regiment, who carried out recent anti-terrorist operations in Tal' Afar "lion hearts," who "bristle with the confidence of knights in a bygone era."

He said the troops transformed his western Iraqi city from a "ghost town, in which terrorists spread death and destruction, into a secure city flourishing with life."

"We see them in the smile of every child, and in every flower growing in this land."​

apg said:
"We're dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction, and relatively soon." -Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, in a message to Congress on 3/27/03.


They eventually will. How long did we spend reconstructing Germany and Japan? A decade or more?

apg said:
"Iraq will not require sustained aid." -OMB Director Mitch Daniels, 3/28/03. A year earlier, Daniels had dismissed initial cost estimates of $100 to $200 billion for the war, stating to the Wall Street Journal that it would be no more that $50 to $60 billion.

So now we evaluate the cost of freedom on a monetary basis? When did ANY government program, military or entitlement, come in at projected cost estimates?

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"Major combat operations have ended." -President George W. Bush, 5/1/03, standing in front of the ‘mission accomplished' banner on the flight deck of the Lincoln.

They had. Did you miss the word "major"? We are directly engaging Al Qaeda and Iran in Iraq. Would you prefer we wait to engage them at home?

apg said:
"I would anticipate you're going to see an escalation of violence...Insurgencies tend to go on five, six, eight, ten, twelve years." -Secretary Rumsfeld speaking to Fox News, June 20, 2005.

How long did we fight the Cold War. That's right, fought the Cold War. Try a decade or so in the Phillipines.
Go read The Cult

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"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." Hermann Goring - Nuremberg Trials

And then end with a suggestion that there is some similarity between the current administration and Nazis? :banghead: Even Karen thinks that is outrageous.
 
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Highest ranking Minories. Never before has a Black Woman held such a high office in Government.

And, to think, Black people think Democrats are going to help them suceed.:banghead:

Edit, Opps, oh Yeah. No terrorist attacks on our soil since 9-11. I bet that was just by accident though,eh?

Pure tokenism, by what is essentially the party that actively appeals to its racist base. Blacks are not fooled, which is why they stick with the dems.

If the Bush admin had thwarted an attack, we would have heard about it. They haven't stopped shit.

BTW, Marks freeper list of what GW has done right is a joke. Most of it lists what sane people would consider failures and horrendous policy.
 

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As if in opposition to the Founding Fathers of this nation, there is more than ample evidence that W&Co. is trying to set up a fascist state. Yup...the "F" word. And the damage that the Repugs are doing to this country will be long-lasting indeed. The American Heritage Dictionary defines this as "a philosophy or system of government that is marked by stringent social and economic control, a strong centralized government, usually headed by a dictator, and often a policy of belligerent nationalism. Go to Cornell University's website for another definition: "a philosophy or system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right together with an ideology of belligerent nationalism."

My own Webster's Unabridged states that it is: "any program for setting up a centralized autocratic national regime with severely nationalist policies, exercising regimentation of industry, commerce and finance, rigid censorship, and forcible suppression of opposition."

"The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced as the very definition of tyranny." James Madison, The Federalist Papers #47, 1788

Any of this sound vaguely familiar WRT to the current antics of those in charge in Washington? Going beyond these definitions, take a look at the research of Laurence W. Britt (former exec with Allied Chemical, Mobil and Xerox) published three years ago in Free Inquiry magazine. Britt analyzed seven fascist regimes, including Nazi Germany, Mussolini in Italy, Spain under Franco, Salazar in Portugal, Pinochet in Chile, and Suharto's Indonesia, and found "fourteen common threads that link them to recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of power." Count all those that currently apply:

1. Powerful and continuing nationalism.
2. Disdain for the recognition of human rights.
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause.
4. Supremacy of the military.
5. Rampant sexism.
6. Controlled mass media.
7. Obsession with national security.
8. Religion and government intertwined.
9. Corporate power is protected.
10. Labor power suppressed.
11. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts.
12. Obsession with crime and punishment.
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption.
14. Fraudulent elections.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist here... I count at least a dozen....

In 1935, Sinclair Lewis wrote a satirical, best-seller titled "It Can't Happen Here" about a populist President becoming dictator to "save" the country from welfare cheats, sex, crime, the liberal press, all while wrapped up in a patriotic, red-white-and-blue outfit. Well, it *could* happen here. It *is* happening here.

It has been said that "secrecy is the first refuge of the incompetent - or the scoundrel" and it this regard, the current administration exceeds even that of the paranoid Nixon administration, or so says John Dean, former White House counsel who when to jail for his ol' boss. In as interesting nexus of events just this week, the office of the Vice President refused an executive order (signed by Bush in 2003) to reduce the number of classified documents - and to some extent, this has actually happened elsewhere in the executive branch. But Cheney, (who got Google/Earth to blur out all of his residences - but not truly strategic places like Storm King Mtn., Mt. Weather, or Camp David) has defied a direct Presidential order. The curious second event was the Supreme Court's ruling on public employees and "whistleblowers". Apparently, the First Amendment doesn't apply to them.

"Hold on to the Constitution and the Republic for which it stands. What has happened once in 6,000 years may never again." Daniel Webster

H. L. Mencken, the humorist, social critic and long-time editor of the Baltimore Sun, best summed it up over a half-century ago: "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed and hence, clamorous to be led to safety - by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

Or, if you prefer Groucho Marx: "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." I don't know of a better way to describe Bush's policies both domestically and in the Middle-East.

"Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only safe depositories." -Thomas Jefferson (Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XIV, 1781)

"I am a mortal enemy to arbitrary government and unlimited power. I am very jealous for the rights and liberties of my country; the least encroachment on those invaluable privileges makes my blood boil." - Benjamin Franklin
 
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Pure tokenism, by what is essentially the party that actively appeals to its racist base. Blacks are not fooled, which is why they stick with the dems.

Come on! COndi Rice is totally qualified for that job. GW hired the best person for the job.... When the Dems do it it's diversity.... Repubs do it it's tokenism???:banghead:

And, even if your right...... Clinton, Americas first 'Black' president didn't do it.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200110/NAT20011001e.html

pan·der (pndr)
intr.v. pan·dered, pan·der·ing, pan·ders

1. To cater to the lower tastes and desires of others or exploit their weaknesses: "He refused to pander to nostalgia and escapism" New York Times.

If the Bush admin had thwarted an attack, we would have heard about it. They haven't stopped shit.

Good thing the terrorists just choose to stop attacking us on our land. :ack:
 

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Pure tokenism, by what is essentially the party that actively appeals to its racist base. Blacks are not fooled, which is why they stick with the dems.

Blacks are still in slavery but they are now just beginning to figure out whose plantation they are on - the Democrats. Until they walk away from the pandering Democrat party they will not enjoy true freedom.

Democrats' Worst Nightmare
Town Hall ^ | May 29, 2006 | Robert Novak

UPPER MARLBORO, Md. -- Richmond Myrick, the principal of Largo High School, is a registered Democrat in overwhelmingly Democratic Prince George's County next to Washington, D.C. He has not been active politically and is not recorded as having made any contributions to candidates for federal office. Recently, he stood in the parking lot of Prince George's Community College adjoining his school to introduce Republican Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele, whom he has endorsed for the U.S. Senate.

Myrick is African American, as are most students at Largo High. So is Steele. If enough non-political blacks follow Myrick's course, Steele will become the first black Republican elected to the Senate in 32 years. That is the Democrats' worst nightmare. Democratic dominance in Maryland has been based on maintaining hammerlock over the state's substantial African-American vote. Steele threatens that domination.

Steele sees national implications and put it to me this way in a conversation before the recent rally in Upper Marlboro: "It's a breaking point. I've heard the talk: 'Hillary, Bill, Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, all are coming in to campaign against you. They can't bear to see you win this race.' If I win this race, I am sure that the whole dynamic changes."​

The dynamics? The Democrats Plantation constructed from victim mentality and low expectations.
 

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Good thing the terrorists just choose to stop attacking us on our land. :ack:

You know that if the Bush admin had stopped an attack, they would have been the first to take credit, because everthing is political with these guys. AlQueida is patient, how long was it between the World trade center bombing and 911? They'll be back, and we won't be ready.