Hella 4K gets my vote too.
The notion that the Lightforce lights are not as versatile as the 4Ks is laughable.
The notion that the Lightforce lights are not as versatile as the 4Ks is laughable.
Lightforce lights
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Craig
I recall seeing a picture recently of the front of a Disco that had hit something, maybe rear-ending someone. The front end was completely demolished, but the Hella 4000s looked like they were in perfect shape. The lenses weren't even broken.
Having said that, I still put the plastic shields on mine. The $30/pair is worth the peace of mind, and probably reduce the scratches that inevitably seem to appear on even the hardest surfaces.
That seems to depend on the surface that they are mounted to. I have them on the ABS A-bar, using some brass tabs. They seems to be little shaking.
I was actually surprised how firm they were once tightened into position.
I have dunked mine (http://www.discoweb.org/victorbiro.htm) and they seem to be fine. I don't see the water in the lamps that is normally seen inside my headlights.
I also upgraded to the 130 watt. 30% more light made quite a dififference.
I also looked at the Lightforce lights. I think the plastic cases can be a bit deceptive regarding how rugged they are. I beleive they use some sort of fancy lexan or ABS plastic that is very rugged. I have no first-hand experience to back that up though.
I decided against them for a couple of reasons:
1. They seemed to do be trying to do too many things with one lamp. Something has to give somewhere
2. They were also difficult to find where I am.
3. They were more expensive than the Hella. I think the 240 Blitz is the closest to the 4000. The 240 Blitz was around $300 and I found the 4000 for $245 including the harness. Not much difference, but combined with everything else...
Hope this helps
Victor
craig said:
I recall seeing a picture recently of the front of a Disco that had hit something, maybe rear-ending someone. The front end was completely demolished, but the Hella 4000s looked like they were in perfect shape. The lenses weren't even broken.
Having said that, I still put the plastic shields on mine. The $30/pair is worth the peace of mind, and probably reduce the scratches that inevitably seem to appear on even the hardest surfaces.
craig said:
That seems to depend on the surface that they are mounted to. I have them on the ABS A-bar, using some brass tabs. They seems to be little shaking.
craig said:
I was actually surprised how firm they were once tightened into position.
craig said:
I have dunked mine (http://www.discoweb.org/victorbiro.htm) and they seem to be fine. I don't see the water in the lamps that is normally seen inside my headlights.
I also upgraded to the 130 watt. 30% more light made quite a dififference.
I also looked at the Lightforce lights. I think the plastic cases can be a bit deceptive regarding how rugged they are. I beleive they use some sort of fancy lexan or ABS plastic that is very rugged. I have no first-hand experience to back that up though.
I decided against them for a couple of reasons:
1. They seemed to do be trying to do too many things with one lamp. Something has to give somewhere
2. They were also difficult to find where I am.
3. They were more expensive than the Hella. I think the 240 Blitz is the closest to the 4000. The 240 Blitz was around $300 and I found the 4000 for $245 including the harness. Not much difference, but combined with everything else...
Hope this helps
Victor
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well craig, doesn't really matter which beam you get on th 4K. you'll end up with 24K eventually. 
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http://www.performanceoffroadcenter.com/index.html
They posted here on D-web some time ago offering that price. Got mine from them last month for that price.
They posted here on D-web some time ago offering that price. Got mine from them last month for that price.
Iron Boots said:
Will the IPF 968s work as both a fog lamp and a flood lamp? That is where my primary interest in the LFs is. Money isn't the issue here, getting the right product for the job is what I am after. A lamp that can function as a fog lamp on a daily driver and a trail lamp occasionally (cornering/flood).
--Craig
the IPFs are decent lights. so you might get started with the light addiction with the IPFs. but soon or later, you'll give in to the 4Ks.
Ho said:the IPFs are decent lights. so you might get started with the light addiction with the IPFs. but soon or later, you'll give in to the 4Ks.
I might as well go right for the Hella 4000 Motorsport HIDs then. No use putting off the inevitable.
actually, i didnt' go with the HIDs cuz they dont' fit on the rack. but yeah, those would be some serious Xray beams.
but yeah, those would be some serious Xray beams.
The IPF968 are primarily a driving lamp, but do have a wider pattern up close, but not as wide as a fog or cornering lamps.
I had a pair mounted on my bumper, but I took them off because they keep getting muddy water in them. The bottom half of the lenses now have a permanent haze. So if you want to mount your lights on the bumper, and do a lot of water crossings, consider how waterprooff the light is, or how easy it is to clean.
I had a pair mounted on my bumper, but I took them off because they keep getting muddy water in them. The bottom half of the lenses now have a permanent haze. So if you want to mount your lights on the bumper, and do a lot of water crossings, consider how waterprooff the light is, or how easy it is to clean.
"A lamp that can function as a fog lamp on a daily driver and a trail lamp occasionally (cornering/flood)."
While the HID are really nice, they're probably not what you're looking for. They have a much tighter pattern, like a headlight and project way down the road. The cornering pattern is the way to go for your stated intention. They have a super wide pattern that really lights the trail at night. With the cornering, you will get about 45 degrees coverage from center on both sides.
While the HID are really nice, they're probably not what you're looking for. They have a much tighter pattern, like a headlight and project way down the road. The cornering pattern is the way to go for your stated intention. They have a super wide pattern that really lights the trail at night. With the cornering, you will get about 45 degrees coverage from center on both sides.
Mike_Rupp said:
Yeah, the Hella HID comment was a joke in response to Ho's comment.
The original idea of running a Lightforce 240 HID kit wasn't a joke. I was researching if the diffuser and fog lenses would disperse the light sufficiently to work as a flood/cornering and fog light depending on the cover in place. I have since scratched this idea, if for no other reason than they are too large IMHO for a disco.
I'm currently leaning toward the Hella 4k cornering lamp, or just giving in and putting two sets of lights on the truck. Cornering lamps for the trail, and a separate set of very small pure fog lamps for the countryside / mountain passes in the rain/fog/snow. I haven't completely written off the lightforce 170s but it isn't likely at this point.
Ho is right, I might as well just give in and get the Hella 4ks. They are tried / proven and everyone loves them.
.--Craig
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craig said:
I'm not being a dick here but if money isn't an issue buy some 4K fogs and 4k floods....and Ho is not wrong...the 4k's are pretty much where the foolishness stops.
Iron Boots said:
I was trying to limit the number of lights to 2 on the bumper. I am trying to keep the modifications to the truck somewhat conservative in appearance as it is driven to sales meetings during the week.
The lightforce lamps are convertible between the two, and also have a reputation of being very good lamps. Like the Hella 4ks, I haven't heard any negative reviews from anyone who runs them regularly.
--Craig
i've seen some lightforce in action.
they are bright. but works just like a maglite. when focused, it's a damn pencil beam. when diffused, it's a giant circle in front of you with a dark middle spot. and the wider you go, the dimmer the light gets.
so, in other words, lightforce is usable only for pencil.
craig, check it out for yourself and you'll see what i am talking about.
they are bright. but works just like a maglite. when focused, it's a damn pencil beam. when diffused, it's a giant circle in front of you with a dark middle spot. and the wider you go, the dimmer the light gets.
so, in other words, lightforce is usable only for pencil.
craig, check it out for yourself and you'll see what i am talking about.
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Kyle
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As always , ask yourself , "Can I destroy my lights with a bic lighter?" If the answer is yes then skip it...
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syoung
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For the street legal fogs, why not get some of the tiny little projector IPF's, then get some good off-road lamps to do the job off-road? Trying to find one lamp that can do it all is futile and too much compromise. Add the ability to run fogs on-road, it really makes it impossible.
syoung said:
That is what I am thinking too... especially after Ho's comment about the donut light dispersal. In fact, that comment clinched it for me. I am going with the Hella cornering lamps and will look into mounting a smaller fog somewhere else on the bumper.
Thanks everyone.
--Craig