Lr3 V6 Announced Today

Blueboy

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We'll never see that engine, for some reason Diesels get very bad press in the US

just to make sure my comment wasn't missed, the guy who owns the shop here in SP where I bought my 110 and who is really well connected in the LR scene here including knowing the Defender factory guys told me LR is gearing up to introduce the LR3 WITH the Peugeot diesel in the USA.



Jaime
 

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Blueboy said:
just to make sure my comment wasn't missed, the guy who owns the shop here in SP where I bought my 110 and who is really well connected in the LR scene here including knowing the Defender factory guys told me LR is gearing up to introduce the LR3 WITH the Peugeot diesel in the USA.



Jaime

Wow, I didn't expect that.
 
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Guys the reason they went with LR3 instead of Discovery is that the name was considered by many to be a liability here in the US. The American consumer can be a difficult animal to deal with, even with the name change and extensive redesign, some folks still want it to be the same. :D
 

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Dan Ratcliffe said:
Guys the reason they went with LR3 instead of Discovery is that the name was considered by many to be a liability here in the US. The American consumer can be a difficult animal to deal with, even with the name change and extensive redesign, some folks still want it to be the same. :D

Oh, how true.......

:D

lol....

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Jaime,

I really DID notice your comment; however, I'm so jaded as towards "what's coming".... the Defender is coming back, Tdi is coming, the Defender is being redesigned to come back, a dealership is going to come to town, the Defender is going to be available as a CKD with a 2.8TDi, the diesel is going to be in the new Disco when it arrives, the old Defender is going to stick around instead because of military contracts, the US will the new Defender that is going to come on the LR3 platform......

I've just gotten so that I won't believe it until it is really available.....



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Blueboy

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Leslie,

lol!! yeah, there is a bunch of bs out there which is why I posted it. no doubt that as I write this, the plans are in the works.

of course like everything else, the best laid plans of mice and men can go astray, yet, it does make sense given what DMC is doing with Jeep and VW with the Tourag.


Jaime
 

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If the LR3 becomes available with a diesel, I may have a whole new opinion on the LR3. Especially if the diesel was available on a "SD" or stripped version of the LR3, you know, with coils, etc.
 

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Sears said:
If the LR3 becomes available with a diesel, I may have a whole new opinion on the LR3. Especially if the diesel was available on a "SD" or stripped version of the LR3, you know, with coils, etc.

I agree but I still don't see the price dropping into the area that I am looking to pay. I'm still very curious to see what kind of resale these will have. If it's anything like a Disco, I'll let somebody else break it in and absorb the initial depreciation and then buy it.
 
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Blueboy said:
just to make sure my comment wasn't missed, the guy who owns the shop here in SP where I bought my 110 and who is really well connected in the LR scene here including knowing the Defender factory guys told me LR is gearing up to introduce the LR3 WITH the Peugeot diesel in the USA.



Jaime
The engine was designed by Jaguar and Pug. It is the same engine that Jaguar run in the Stype in Europe but with one variable nozzle turbo instaed of 2. The engine has more torque than the V8 and it gets it all by 2000rpm. It's a trick thing, quiet smooth and has more HP than the old V8 it will be the big seller here and is cheaper than the V8 (more than the exploder engine).
The comments from the press here are saying "with a diesel this good who would buy the V8!" There is talk of Ford fitting it to the Ford Territory SUV here as well. What's with the US and Diesels In Oz if a company is not selling a diesel 4x4 in it's line up they ain't selling many 4x4s, hell even Freeloaders are diesel here.
 
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Sears said:
If the LR3 becomes available with a diesel, I may have a whole new opinion on the LR3. Especially if the diesel was available on a "SD" or stripped version of the LR3, you know, with coils, etc.

You can order a base spec Diesel here with coils no terain response etc, and it comes with a 6 speed manual box. But I think most of the poverty packs here will end up with the exploder engine.
 

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Alyssa said:
It isn't a Discovery. It is a new vehicle.
Yeah, right... Why is the rest of the world calling it a Discovery, then? Even Land Rover UK's official website refers to it as 'The new Discovery' and 'Discovery 3'

Alyssa said:
Discovery went away. LR3 actually started out life as a seven seat Range Rover.
Perhaps. But the stepped roof, roof rails and alpine windows - not to mention the shape of the rear window clearly shows that the design evolved from the Discovery, not the Range Rover. If it walks like a duck.....
 
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I have heard that once the ultra low sulfur diesel is required to used in the states (2006) then the TDV6 will be available. Before then I think emmisions are an issue. I would then be very tempted to get one.
 
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DiscoII said:
I have heard that once the ultra low sulfur diesel is required to used in the states (2006) then the TDV6 will be available. Before then I think emmisions are an issue. I would then be very tempted to get one.
It was my understanding that the TDV6 met Emmisions laws well into the future world wide. I think the EU is pretty hard on this now, I know the Freeloader TD4s have cats and some have particulate filters, suspect the Disco maybe the same. I'm going to the national 4x4 and Tinnie show tomorrow, I'll have a look at TDV6 and see if they have cats.
When they started making low sulphur diesel here all the Toyotas died, BP paid for everyone to get there injection pumps rebuilt cost them millions. Toyotas had poor quality seals in the pump and they leaked fuel everywhere, I mean it literally ran out.
 

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jsonova99 said:
Alyssa,
By the way, I'm very familiar with your dealership, I graduated from Villanova back in '99. I used to go over and drool over all of the Defenders you guys used to have on the lot :)

That was you slobbering over the cars????
Boy the detailers hated cleaning that mess up.
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Hate to say this will more than likely get flamed. I had a 1997 Exploder 2wd with the 4.0 liter v6 I have to say this vehicle was powerful and maint free. I had at one time hit a very large puddle after a rain storm and ingested are large amount of water.
The next day tried to start it and after several attempts got it to finally start, it ran very rough mind you for about 20 minutes after revving it and getting all of the water out of the engine the vehicle ran fine for another 80k miles when it was traded in.
 

jsonova99

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ChrismonDA said:
Hate to say this will more than likely get flamed. I had a 1997 Exploder 2wd with the 4.0 liter v6 I have to say this vehicle was powerful and maint free. I had at one time hit a very large puddle after a rain storm and ingested are large amount of water.
The next day tried to start it and after several attempts got it to finally start, it ran very rough mind you for about 20 minutes after revving it and getting all of the water out of the engine the vehicle ran fine for another 80k miles when it was traded in.

If it works it works. It would be nice to be able to buy Ford parts instead of LR parts to save some $$. Any ideas what kind of towing capacity the V6 LR3 will have?
 
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g4hawaii

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I have to agree with you, I rented an Explorer last time I was in Oregon, and it had the 4.0 in it. It had plenty of juice, and seemed fairly fuel efficient. Dare I say it felt peppier than my Disco?

While I really like the LR3, and am picking mine up in 7 weeks, I don't think it feels like it has 300 HP. A new Range Rover with 282 HP feels quicker, and a Cayenne S with 340 HP is a LOT faster despite similar curb weights. It is definately faster and more powerful than my 4.6 Disco but not knock-my-socks-off fast.

I think the V6 will have plenty of power and drive just fine. I just hope it is not like the V6 Porsche Cayenne. That car is kind of a dog. I sell Porsche's and Land Rovers and I would take an LR3 V8 over a Cayenne V6 any day. We'll see when it gets here how it stacks up.
 

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g4hawaii said:
I have to agree with you, I rented an Explorer last time I was in Oregon, and it had the 4.0 in it. It had plenty of juice, and seemed fairly fuel efficient. Dare I say it felt peppier than my Disco?

While I really like the LR3, and am picking mine up in 7 weeks, I don't think it feels like it has 300 HP. A new Range Rover with 282 HP feels quicker, and a Cayenne S with 340 HP is a LOT faster despite similar curb weights. It is definately faster and more powerful than my 4.6 Disco but not knock-my-socks-off fast.

I think the V6 will have plenty of power and drive just fine. I just hope it is not like the V6 Porsche Cayenne. That car is kind of a dog. I sell Porsche's and Land Rovers and I would take an LR3 V8 over a Cayenne V6 any day. We'll see when it gets here how it stacks up.

Now, I don't like the Porsche Cayenne at all, but I don't want to get started on another major battle ;) Just kidding. I think my girlfriend's hyundai accent has more pep than my disco, although a disco isn't too bad off the line, I was able to chirp the wheels on mine once :D Funny story, I actually was on 95 once and some punk in a pathetic excuse for a sport compact car, some primer gray 198X honda thing, anyway, he lays into it to pass me and I lay into the disco, he couldn't get around me, it made my day that I showed up all of the crap he had bolted to this POS in a Discovery. Anyway, I think the V6 LR3 will be fine, although I would really like to see the diesel come through. I am still curious what the dealers like yourself are expecting these to sell for used, I'm assuming they will have better resale than a disco.
 
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It depends on the market of the new ones. If the new ones are selling $45-50K and stay there (which they are right now) it will make for a higher used car cost. If you look at the Disco, LR was pumping $5,000 per car in trunk money for us to dump the '04's on top of Service Loaner money, etc. All said and done you could get a car with 2500 miles with new car financing for THOUSANDS under MSRP.

On the LR3's we have no incentive money, there is a $1,000 owner loyalty incentive, and there was a sales challenge a couple months ago that (if the dealer hit their objectives) amounted to $750-1,000 per LR3 SE sold during the month but that's gone. I imagine LR will give us something like $2,000 "alternative finance incentive" i.e. not using the 3.9% or the lease support. But with no support other than strong leases and finance rates every dealer in the country is selling them extremely well. Even if they do that to blow out the last 2005's in a few months, they are all selling over $40k.

I think it will be slightly stronger than the Disco. Look at the cost of a 2003 Range Rover, or a 2003 SL500, much higher than a 2002 (old body style) model of either car. I would say in a year you could pick up an SE with high mileage in the upper $30k's but probably another year after that before they drop below $35k.

I like the idea of a V6 engine for fuel economy, and for choice if you like it but really don't need a V8, but the price is only $3,000 different when you get a V6 with the sunroofs and stuff. Shit, it's $13,000 to get a supercharger on the RR engine, I was expecting more of savings by downgrading to the V6.