Lr3 V6 Announced Today

[SCSL]

Fr3

This thread is starting to sound like the recent LR3 thread,,,and backs up the point I was trying to make. When LRs start getting compared to Ford Explorers & measured by their 'pep', we've definately LOST something,,,,,,,,,, no offense to anyone (my wife drives an Escape,,, ,,, ,,,) It's just a matter of what do we want out of a vehicle & at what point must LR define itself clearly,,,or,,,just become another,,,FORD,,,???

(ok,,,now FLAME AWAY !!!)

 

[Ron]

"You can order a base spec Diesel here with coils no terain response etc, and it comes with a 6 speed manual box."

That I would buy.

One thing missed here is that there is NO comparison between a discovery and a LR3. LR3 is head and shoulders above in ride and power, and is much better than the P38a range rover.

You are saying it will fall like a rock like disco II?

Well maybe but I think there is a much better chance it will be like the 03-05 range rover and hold value extremely well (for a car).

For the time being I am just sticking with my 94 and 95 lwbs and maybe maybe pick up a cloth 99 disco II or another 5 speed disco I if it comes along. I like old ones.

 

[g4hawaii]

Maybe I am a little long winded, but I agree about the '03-'05 RR comparison. I think LR3 will not be de-valued by rebates and incentives from LR, and will hold it's value pretty well. For $45,000 it is a value. It might be more to other people's liking to get it for $35,000 without any frills, but it is a lot more car than a Tahoe or equivelant. For that reason, the price justifies the product.

 

[ducati]

While I really like the LR3, and am picking mine up in 7 weeks, I don't think it feels like it has 300 HP. A new Range Rover with 282 HP feels quicker, and a Cayenne S with 340 HP is a LOT faster despite similar curb weights. It is definately faster and more powerful than my 4.6 Disco but not knock-my-socks-off fast.

We used to call these types of motors "cammy." They're a little soft down low. Get the LR3 up a bit in the powerband and (I think) it's quicker on the road than the RR3. I agree it seems slower than the RR3 in regular ****** mode, partially because it's quieter (not as much intake honk, that BMW V8 sure sounds good) and... Just like the Disco and Freelander, you need to get it out of "regular" ****** mode (or allow it to learn an aggressive driving style) to make any good progress, otherwise it will constantly be shifting to the highest gear possible for fuel economy. The BMW ****** in the RR3 is more aggressive in regular mode.

Driven somewhat aggressively I think the LR3 feels noticeably quicker than the RR3.

About the Ford V6--this will likely be an ok motor, certainly quite durable based upon my limited experience with them (although I think it will require too many revs for good progress), but the Diesel would be a much better choice. Last I checked the diesel actually makes more power than the V8 up until about 3K rpms, which would likely make it feel plenty quick AND be fuel efficient.

 

[syoung]

Don't believe all the hype about smaller engines being any less thirsty. Often times a V8 can get better fuel economy than a six... An easy job for a bigger motor is often better than working the doggie doo out of a 6. The V6 will bring the price down and will sell more units because of it, but I'd be skeptical about MPG claims.

 

[jsonova99]

Don't believe all the hype about smaller engines being any less thirsty. Often times a V8 can get better fuel economy than a six... An easy job for a bigger motor is often better than working the doggie doo out of a 6. The V6 will bring the price down and will sell more units because of it, but I'd be skeptical about MPG claims.

Look at the Jeep Wrangler, I believe the I6 is rated at better MPG than the 4cyl.

 

[g4hawaii]

Don't believe all the hype about smaller engines being any less thirsty. Often times a V8 can get better fuel economy than a six... An easy job for a bigger motor is often better than working the doggie doo out of a 6. The V6 will bring the price down and will sell more units because of it, but I'd be skeptical about MPG claims.

I totally agree, drive a Cayenne V6, the weight of the car isn't changing, but you have 2/3 of the engine moving it. You have to rev the shit out of the car to get it going decently quick, and by then you've shot your MPG. I have only noticed about 1-2 mpg difference between Cayenne V6 and V8.

 

[ShaunP]

By the details on the Oz web site the V6 uses more fuel than the V8 and the diesel uses way less than both and has more torque than both but has 10kw less hp than the V6 petrol but with 440nm of torque from the diesel the v6 petrol won't see which way the diesel went in hilly, towing or off road driving. The diesel has the least CO2 emissions and the auto is the quietest on the drive by noise. 2 sec slower to 100km. If you want to work out HP from KW X by 1.3

http://www.landrover.com.au/au/en/Vehicles/Discovery/Specifications/Discovery_engines.htm

 

[Arthur 1995 LWB]

What is known about the reliability of this V6 engine? How different does it drive vs. the V8?

 

[jsonova99]

What is known about the reliability of this V6 engine? How different does it drive vs. the V8?

I believe that it is the same V6 that Ford uses in the Explorer, but I could be wrong.

 

[nferno]

Drove a V6 LR3 as a loaner for the last couple of days. I thought that I was in a mini van. The truck had no "go". I was very disappointed...I am glad I grabbed up my '04.

 

[GotRovr]

Drove a V6 LR3 as a loaner for the last couple of days. I thought that I was in a mini van. The truck had no "go". I was very disappointed...I am glad I grabbed up my '04.

V6 is to blame.

The way I see it Land Rover should just confess, take a gut check, and admit the LR3 is the Discovery 3 in North America.

American consumers are spoiled. We generally buy more of a vehicle than we really need. Advertising plays a key role. Do we really need to drive 180 mph? Not hardly, but we buy the Porsche's and Ferrari's because they can. Now, if we want to go to hell and back, what do we buy. A Jeep?, not in my household.

I'm not here to bash the new Discovery or Jeep for that matter. I would only hope that LR would stay true to their heritage and create a more aggressive off road version of the new Discovery, not a cosmetic G4 edition. If it could only get to hell and back at 180mph

 

[ducati]

Drove a V6 LR3 as a loaner for the last couple of days. I thought that I was in a mini van. The truck had no "go". I was very disappointed...I am glad I grabbed up my '04.

Well I have an '04 Disco as a loaner right now and I realize how spoiled I've been with my LR3. The Disco feels like a dog. Very pokey.

And my '03 used to feel fairly peppy to me... So it's all relative, ya know.

On the flipside, I hopped into a Supercharged Range Rover for a ride... And I was suprised that it didn't feel much quicker than the NA RR/LR3's. The upper end of the rev range felt very similar, and foot-to-the-floor acceleration didn't seem much faster. The midrange was noticeably fatter, tho, and would be fun as hell to play in every day. Nice fat torque. Definitely quicker on the road. Very fun!

Too bad about the V6 in the LR3, but I can't say I thought it would work out well! The LR3 weighs nearly 3 tons for godsakes! To be honest--I'd like more torque in the V8. The supercharger would fix that, it seems. At a price

 

[Penguin]

I got the V6 Diesel, and, well, it rocks and can compete with regular cars here.
But, I do drive the manual geared one, as the automatics are slower...

 

[punter]

by the way, my LR connection here in Brasil tells me LR is gearing up to offer the Peugeot diesel in the LR3 for the NA market. that will change the picture a little I would think.

Jaime

It's been a while but, any further info on this prospect?

I'm in the market for a new vehicle, and I'd buy an LR3 in a second if I could get it with a Diesel/Manual Gearbox. Do you know if they are intending to offer the manual transmission as well (and perhaps the coil sprung 'poverty pack')?

At risk of sounding simple (or cheap) THAT would be my ideal vehicle!

 

[ShaunP]

You guys are getting gipped in the US, you can get a coil spring, no "Terain Response" TDV6 diesel 6speed manual here in OZ. I think you can get the Exploder V6 engine with a 6 speed Manual as well but not sure.

 

[punter]

Yeah, I just got a reply from LRNA... we have no prayer of seeing a diesel in the States anytime soon. No word on the manual transmission or coil sprung suspension though, but I'm not optimistic.

 

[dormobiledisco]

You guys are getting gipped in the US, you can get a coil spring, no "Terain Response" TDV6 diesel 6speed manual here in OZ. I think you can get the Exploder V6 engine with a 6 speed Manual as well but not sure.

I went onto the LR AUS site, and checked out the prices for the LR3 basic model. It's 56,650 AUD, about 41000 USD. I think that's about the price of a US V6.

But when I plugged in the price for the top of the line, 7-seat HSE with V8 (91,650 AUD), it came to an astonishing $69,365 USD! Even when I went to the LR USA site and loaded up an HSE NAS, it only came to about 55,000 USD.

Something is strange. Why would the truck be 15,000 more Down Under? I know it's more expensive to get them over there and all, but...

 

[ShaunP]

One word "tax". And 4x4s have a cheaper import tax to normal cars because farmers use them, you should see the price of Jags with out the tax releif. There is or was some law about local content. D1s used to arrive off the boat from Old Blitey with the AC in a box in the back, LRA would instal it here and get past the local content tax penalty. Early RR classics were actually assembled here from CKD kitts.

 

[ShaunP]

I was reading Overlander Australia Mag at lunch time today. They had done a test on the V6 petrol D3 against a Toyota Prado VX V6. To cut a long story short the D3 pissed on the VX on and off road, the only complaints were a bit less acceleration in town, the D3 holds 1/2 as much fuel in the tank( this is an issue in Oz when in the outback, no doubt Long Ranger will make a big tank for $700 in due corse) and the steering rack rattled on corrogated dirt roads. Apart from that it handled better on and off road and had no trouble leaving the VX stuck in mud, and 1/2 way up hill climbs etc and the rest of the package was just much nicer to live with. The V6 D3 used 17litres of fuel per 100km which included the off road work.