On the 3 amigo topic, has anyone dealt with extended warranty coverage for this, i.e. wear and tear vs. malfuntioning part(s) they had replaced?
Making sense of ABS Amigo errors!
- Thread starter Jon K
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Thanks jycsalas yeah I have read, will be evaluating it this weekend on what method to do.
The fun continues - came home and the lights went on turning into the driveway. Then, this morning, lights gone again ahah.
I must have cleared a code that was like permenantly holding the amigos on and now they're intermittent. Going to check the codes again once more tonight.
The fun continues - came home and the lights went on turning into the driveway. Then, this morning, lights gone again ahah.
I must have cleared a code that was like permenantly holding the amigos on and now they're intermittent. Going to check the codes again once more tonight.
My three amigos problem appeared on my 04 just after I bought it at 31K. LR extended warranty covered the repair.
listerdiesel said:
I have an '04 DII that I bought in '06, and I started having the 3 amigos problem with 50K miles in '07. A guy I work with has an '04 and started having the problem shortly after buying his new. He took it in to the dealer under warranty, and they "fixed it". He started having the problem again in '08. It's a well known issue, and obviously a faulty part. When the part fails, there can be serious safety repercussions. What more is needed for a recall?
rovercanus said:
hypothetical...... Your granny is driving your 2000 D2 on snowcovered
interstate. She needs to slow down. She safely hits the brakes, knowing that slamming them is a bad idea no matter what you drive. They lock up......... I dunno.... i guess thats when you start doing donuts in the median.
rovercanus said:
You don't consider your ABS and traction control turning off completely to not be a safety issue? On pavement maybe not a huge issue, but on snow covered roads it's a huge deal.
Hows this for safety.
Going down an icy/snowy grade on the way to work. Plow truck coming up the hill requires me move over a tad (two lane road, one in each direction, curvy, hilly). I move over and get my right front wheel just on the area where there'd be gravel/grass. Hit the brakes to slow coming down the icy/snowy hill. DING DING DING. Right front wheel locks up pulling me relatively violently off the road, down the embankment and leaves me between 2 large trees by about 8" and away from hitting a 3rd tree head on by about 1', all while going about 30 mph.
If the ABS had failed on all 4 wheels I would have handled it (my BMW "race car" has no ABS so I am used to it) but instead it failed on the front right steer wheel which drug me off course and down a ditch. I have pics, can post later - very bad day.
Going down an icy/snowy grade on the way to work. Plow truck coming up the hill requires me move over a tad (two lane road, one in each direction, curvy, hilly). I move over and get my right front wheel just on the area where there'd be gravel/grass. Hit the brakes to slow coming down the icy/snowy hill. DING DING DING. Right front wheel locks up pulling me relatively violently off the road, down the embankment and leaves me between 2 large trees by about 8" and away from hitting a 3rd tree head on by about 1', all while going about 30 mph.
If the ABS had failed on all 4 wheels I would have handled it (my BMW "race car" has no ABS so I am used to it) but instead it failed on the front right steer wheel which drug me off course and down a ditch. I have pics, can post later - very bad day.
No it is not a safety issue. Trucks have been running without the for years. The D1 doesn't have traction control, is that a safety issue?rtadlock said:
ABS systems are intentionally designed to fail in the safe mode. In other words, your brakes work whether abs does or not.
Neither of my grand mothers drove and have been dead for a number of years.
rovercanus said:
I disagree. If you are driving snow/ice/ wet covered roads, and your 3 lights decide to show up while performing an evasive/ defensive maneuver; chances are you may lose control of your vehichle.
As far as safety issues go, the system alerts you to the problem, your handbook advises you not to drive the vehicle until repaired.
The fact that most owners elect to continue driving with the 3 Amigos lit up is their choice, nobody forces them to do it.
Your brakes will still work as has already been pointed out, you just lose the ABS function, Traction Control and Hill Descent.
Land Rover has provided the owner with all the information needed to make the choice, and it's a Wabco part anyway, not Land Rover.
Peter
The fact that most owners elect to continue driving with the 3 Amigos lit up is their choice, nobody forces them to do it.
Your brakes will still work as has already been pointed out, you just lose the ABS function, Traction Control and Hill Descent.
Land Rover has provided the owner with all the information needed to make the choice, and it's a Wabco part anyway, not Land Rover.
Peter
My abs rarely ever comes on. Why? Because I don't drive in a way that the system is needed, it is a back up for emergencies for when people fall asleep or drive off the side of the road. It will not save you. It will actually increase your braking distance.
Traction control is great for off road but I've driven off road plenty of times with out it. It isn't a have to have safety feature, it is a bell and whistle that works pretty well when it works.
Your abs shouldn't be engaging at every stop light. If it is, grow up and learn to drive.
Traction control is great for off road but I've driven off road plenty of times with out it. It isn't a have to have safety feature, it is a bell and whistle that works pretty well when it works.
Your abs shouldn't be engaging at every stop light. If it is, grow up and learn to drive.
rovercanus said:
You're missing the point completely. It's not whether or not the vehicle has ABS/traction control. In fact this is the first vehicle that I've ever had that has had TC. I'm totally fine driving without it. The problem is that the vehicle has a system that has faulty parts in it that cause the entire system (or 3 depending on how you look at it ABS/TC/HDC) to fail in the middle of breaking or when the TC is being used. If you can't see that this is a safety issue then you're just being a fan boy.
listerdiesel said:
I totally agree, if you choose to drive while the lights are on, then you're making a conscious choice to drive without the aid of ABS/TC. Indeed, your breaks will still work, and it's totally possible to drive without ABS/TC. All I'm trying to argue is that we all know (and I presume LR knows), that there is a system in their vehicle that has sub par parts, that can cause the system to fail during normal operation and maybe cause the driver to loose control of the vehicle. So in my opinion, LR should be responsible for fixing the faulty unit. No questions asked. They got the parts from Wabco, so they need to deal with them, not me.
You may not have a problem controlling a car that suddenly looses it's TC on ice or it's ABS system under heavy breaking, but I'm willing to bet there is a large percentage of people that wouldn't feel comfortable under these circumstances.
Whatever junior. You are missing the point. It is designed to fail in the safe mode. Your abs might fail, but your brakes won't.rtadlock said:
I also disagree with Peter. Driving around without abs is just like driving around without abs. Your brakes work as always. This is why vehicles will pass inspection with the abs lights on. Because they are designed to fault in the safe mode, ie, your brakes work as always, you just don't have abs. Understand fan boy?
rovercanus said:
The point WAS (past tense) whether this could be a safety issue.
Now your point is "fail safe mode"...... whatever. You internet argue like a girl. all due respect to you and girls.