Making sense of ABS Amigo errors!

[jhk07]

It's the bonging that wakes me up.

You should not bong and drive.......

 

[Jon K]

I don't mind not having abs or traction contro or HDC, but I would like to know that BEFORE I am trying to dodge a snow plow truck coming at me head on with a 12' plow in a 9' lane.

 

[rtadlock]

I don't even know why I'm arguing. I'm not going to sell my rover over it, and we all know LR isn't going to do a recall...In fact, I'm actually kind of fond of the 3 Amigos now. I drive snow packed roads every weekend to go skiing, and it's a good conversation starter when that all too familiar 3 chimes rings true. Everyone in the truck looks at each other as I continue to drive and pretend I didn't even hear anything.

And rovercanus who you callin Fanboy errr Junior...?

 

[rovercanus]

The point WAS (past tense) whether this could be a safety issue.
Now your point is "fail safe mode"...... whatever. You internet argue like a girl. all due respect to you and girls.

Please explain how I internet argue like a girl. I would like to hear it.
As a matter of fact, explain your whole statement to me. What does past tense have to do with anything I tried to explain to rtadlock.
Did I ever change my point?

 

[Ballah06]

Hmmmm... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=internet+arguing

 

[rtadlock]

Please explain how I internet argue like a girl. I would like to hear it.
As a matter of fact, explain your whole statement to me. What does past tense have to do with anything I tried to explain to rtadlock.
Did I ever change my point?

No, you never changed your point, but your point was invalid. You talk in circles about things that are not relevant.

For example:

My abs rarely ever comes on. Why? Because I don't drive in a way that the system is needed, it is a back up for emergencies for when people fall asleep or drive off the side of the road. It will not save you. It will actually increase your braking distance.
Traction control is great for off road but I've driven off road plenty of times with out it. It isn't a have to have safety feature, it is a bell and whistle that works pretty well when it works.
Your abs shouldn't be engaging at every stop light. If it is, grow up and learn to drive.

I'm glad you drive civilly. Maybe if we all did, there wouldn't be any accidents. The point being made in the first place was if there was a safety issue with a system that intermittently fails at any time. This could be when you are caught off guard and need to break hard, or if you just drive like a tool and mash the breaks every where you go. Driving style and/or ability has nothing to do with whether the system as a whole is safe or not.

Whatever junior. You are missing the point. It is designed to fail in the safe mode. Your abs might fail, but your brakes won't.
I also disagree with Peter. Driving around without abs is just like driving around without abs. Your brakes work as always. This is why vehicles will pass inspection with the abs lights on. Because they are designed to fault in the safe mode, ie, your brakes work as always, you just don't have abs. Understand fan boy?

I'm glad my system fails into safe mode and all, but what does that have to do with the ABS/TC shutting off during operation on a slick road or under heavy breaking? I'll go from being able to turn to my tires locking up? And you're saying that that situation isn't unsafe in the least? Oh maybe for you, because I can tell by the way you argue, that you're probably the best driver you know, and you'd just power slide out of it.

I love how you try to come on here and bully you're way into an argument my making stupid pointless "facts" and trying to be condescending.

 

[jhk07]

Please explain how I internet argue like a girl. I would like to hear it.
As a matter of fact, explain your whole statement to me. What does past tense have to do with anything I tried to explain to rtadlock.
Did I ever change my point?

We are saying there are possible safety issues.

you asked what, how?

We told you what, how.

you told us our brakes work.

Just reminds me of arguing w/ some of the exes. nothing personal.
you contribute a lot here and i appreciate your input. No sarcasm intended. JHK

 

[rovercanus]

No, you never changed your point, but your point was invalid. You talk in circles about things that are not relevant.

For example:



I'm glad you drive civilly. Maybe if we all did, there wouldn't be any accidents. The point being made in the first place was if there was a safety issue with a system that intermittently fails at any time. This could be when you are caught off guard and need to break hard, or if you just drive like a tool and mash the breaks every where you go. Driving style and/or ability has nothing to do with whether the system as a whole is safe or not.



I'm glad my system fails into safe mode and all, but what does that have to do with the ABS/TC shutting off during operation on a slick road or under heavy breaking? I'll go from being able to turn to my tires locking up? And you're saying that that situation isn't unsafe in the least? Oh maybe for you, because I can tell by the way you argue, that you're probably the best driver you know, and you'd just power slide out of it.

I love how you try to come on here and bully you're way into an argument my making stupid pointless "facts" and trying to be condescending.

Please point out one of my pointless "facts".
I only got "condensceding", in your mind, when the name calling started. I believe that was you who started that.
No, I do not consider my abs/tc faulting a safety issue, nor do the many on this site and others that are driving with their abs faulted.
The what if arguments are puerile at most. They remind me of my son when he was four asking what if questions.
Now if you want I can get condenscending.

 

[listerdiesel]

This is why vehicles will pass inspection with the abs lights on.

Not in the UK, it's a failure point on the annual test.

Peter

 

[listerdiesel]

I'm glad my system fails into safe mode and all, but what does that have to do with the ABS/TC shutting off during operation on a slick road or under heavy breaking? I'll go from being able to turn to my tires locking up? And you're saying that that situation isn't unsafe in the least?

At the end of the day, it is tyre grip that decides whether you're going to stop or skid, not the ABS, and while it is a useful safety device to have, nobody should be driving in a style that is likely to cause skidding or wheel lock in the first place.

It is a driving assistance device, not a core vehicle system, and it doesn't fail into any safe mode at all, it just doesn't operate if there is a fault and flags the fault by the 3 chimes and the lights illuminating on the dashboard.

You could drive without ABS as your brakes will still operate at full retardation without it, but you couldn't drive without the braking system in the first place.

In the UK it is an MOT (Annual Test) failure point to have the ABS light on.

I believe that Land Rover were the first company to incorporate the TC and HDC with the ABS system, although the actual design was from Wabco in the first place.

Peter

 

[Urban Panzer]

Not in the UK, it's a failure point on the annual test.

Peter

Lets face it though Peter, it bloody well should not be as the brakes work fine !!.............UK dumb laws again :yawn:

 

[Disco Dog]

You should not bong and drive.......

We use't to bong and drive back in the 60's

 

[landrovergeek]

Did the ABD Mod today (Option B). What a super solution!

The only suggestion that I would make is to use a 4mm bit socket instead of a 4mm Allen wrench when removing the SVS.

(couldn't remember if this was in the write-up) .

Drove around all afternoon. NO AMIGOS.

Thank you