My ashcroft CVs didnt come with this part how do i get it off?

[gmookher]

THIS is whats missing ! and explains why my new CVs are pissing oil.

1)Can anyone find me a part number in RAVE so i can buy a new pair, this way I can use my spare CVs as SPARES...

2) if no part number for #1 how do I get this off?(tapping with a hammer did NOT work)

see photo

 

[JMK]

tapping with a hammer did NOT work)

use a bigger hammer...

Sorry not being serious...

JMK

 

[mowthat]

THIS is whats missing ! and explains why my new CVs are pissing oil.

1)Can anyone find me a part number in RAVE so i can buy a new pair, this way I can use my spare CVs as SPARES...

2) if no part number for #1 how do I get this off?(tapping with a hammer did NOT work)

see photo

that piece is machined to the axle shaft. (ask me how I know) Did you install new seals with the shafts? I've talked to two others who have installed the HD CVs and no problem with new seals.

 

[gmookher]

I appreciate your response, however,thats impossible.
I can clearly see a seam, so its not machined as part of the shaft. Its a separate pc or my post wouldnt be asking how to get it off... I saw a diagram that confirms this, but wasnt able to find a part number. It was just labeled part '15'

can someone with a RAVE cd dig out a PN so I can se if SLC or Glenwood dealerships have it in stock??

It NEEDS to be added to the ashcroft CVs that have a raised portion where it belongs
it was on the old CV, and fits into the seal
I dont want to mangle it taking it off, if thats what I need to do..
infact the LR seals are the exact diameter of the part i am talking about, so the folks who you say have installed HD CVs without this part and still maintain a seal, is outright unrealistic, or have not been wheeling yet and or not noticed the leak whilst on an incline yet
the INSIDE of the LR seal and the OUTSIDE of the HD axelshaft, its off by several MMs. That space gets taken up by the part in question.you may wanna ask your friends if they added this part if not, they likely should IMHO, if they wanna do the job right.

Mathmatically the numbers just =dont add up and a visiual inspection confrims this.

I am sure a shop with a press can deal with it, but my post was really to see if anyone had another method for home removal, or better yet a part number for it so i can leave the original CVs be, not have to rip off the boots and take them apart to try and have this pressed off.

But thanks for your input.

 

[mowthat]

I stand corrected. I beat the hell out of one on my old junk axle and then used a cheap harbor frieght press to no avail. I agree it is a sealing surface, I just figured it was machined on. I'll ask my buddy and see what he did so it didn't leak.

 

[gmookher]

:banghead:

Thanks that would be great, or just some tips on how to get this off-is it ok to press on sealing surface or do I need to find a pipe that is just a hair bigger than the shaft so asto NOT apply pressure to the sealing surface?
I rather approach with technique than trial error type effort

I really cant go to the rally next week leaking like this
:agree:

thanks! peace dude.

 

[antichrist]

They may have changed the design later, my Rave doesn't show it as a separate part.
In the second illustration you can see number 15, the shield, does have a flange that goes inside the seal, number 16. In the first illustration number 6 is seal.
If you can't find the part, you could get a speedi sleeve to use instead of the shield and a smaller ID oil seal to fit the flange on the speedi sleeve.

 

[gmookher]

speedi sleeve to use instead of the shield and a smaller ID oil seal to fit the flange on the speedi sleeve.

YES!!! its part number 15 in the second picture-thx
if rave doesnt list a PN, I need to focus on getting this off, seems no ones had to do this. The ashcroft Cvs are brand new and I'm the only one I know on this board running these on their d2. If you guys know others, I need help...thx


Where can I find this speedi sleeve with the correct ID and OD?(quickly?)

 

[QCNR]

Have you talked to Ashcroft's?

 

[gmookher]

email sent just moments ago to Dave in UK..and Bill at GBR

 

[ptschram]

If Dave didn't think he needed it, you might not need it.

I wonder if the flexibility of the seal wouldn't compensate for the absence of what appears to me to be a shield for the seal.

 

[texmotoII]

WTF over? You just spent HOW much on these CVs and they don't have all the freaking parts necessary for a proper install? I have been considering getting these but was taken aback by both the price and the fact the buyer has to put them together! Give me a break! IMHO if your paying $1000+ for some CVs, they should at least be ready to install when you get them.
Gmookher, hope you get this figured out, and please update this thread to let others know how things shake out.
David

 

[KevLar]

If it's not machined as part of the shaft and there are no visible fasteners, then there's a good chance it's an interference fit and the ring was "sweated" on. If you have access to a torch then you should be able to carefully heat up just the part in question and then knock it off. Given the arrangement, you could also soak as much of the shaft as you can in ice prior to heating the ring. Same heating procedure to reinstall on the new shaft, but you can also stick the new shaft in the freezer for an hour before heating the ring to install.
Kev

 

[gmookher]

from ashcroft this am:
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Hi sorry to hear of your problems with the oil seal ring, this part is not supplied with the shafts but is easily removed from the original and can be re-used/re-fitted, I have never had a problem. We use a tube, approx 33mm bore to press/hammer of the sleeve. if someone has used 'loctite' then a little heat would help!. If you have a problem removing the part please advise and I will forward a used pair. We ship fitting instructions to UK users, copy attached. This covers the boot problem and the oil seal/dirt cover.
Regards Ian Ashcroft
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[gmookher]

yes, I spoke to LRNA and the parts are the same for uk and NAS d2s on the front axle seal, its called a SEAL PROTECTOR and is part of any New CV.,,
also attached to his emailw as this word file:
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Disco II CV joint assembly

Because of the size of the new CV bell it is not possible to fully assemble the boot to the CV prior to assembly into the swivel housing.
Removed the original CV and shaft, then remove the oil seal collar from the shaft and re-fit to the new shaft in the same location.
Fit the boot to the new shaft and add CV joint grease, then fit the new shaft to the new CV.
Do not attempt to fit the boot to the CV at this time.
It may be necessary to flapper wheel the bore of the swivel housing to clear debris or rust, re-fit the shaft and CV, then re-fit the hub assembly using a new nut on the CV stub shaft, don’t forget to stake the nut.
Now fit the boot over the CV bell and fix with the strap.
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going to my locla axle shop to ask for help will post update...

 

[kennith]

I really want those.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[gmookher]

They are really nice, and fear not that they come un assembled, its better that way.
they are complete and it was my amateurism that allowed me to install the parts without the 'seal collar'


Mad thanks to both Ashcroft and Bill at GBR for their prompt replies, help and asistance.
now to figure out how to get the inner shaft apart-any ideas?

 

[Herkvet]

I've got a used one if you want it.

 

[gmookher]

Nah, thanks anyways tho.

$25 bucks and an hour at NAPA did the trick. They charged me for 2 'bearing press fees' and let me go play with their 25T air press and had the tech let me do the alignment of stuff before pressing as they were leary of working on such pricey parts,
..after I mentioned I paid $1150

The downside of this all, as pointed out on lrrforums, is now this renders my Old CVs unusable with out the part, they arent even able to be sold unless you tell the buyer they need to keep their old CV for this part to use my original LR CVs-its prohibitiv for resale and reuse of old CV. sux.

Bottom Line:

Ashcroft needs to contact LR in UK and get a box of these for themselves, or make a part of equivalent function and supply it for what I paid for this kit, its NOT right to render one set of perfectly good CVs unusable to enable the bling Cvs to be used.

 

[antichrist]

Email Ashcroft and take them up on the offer of the used pair and put them on your old shafts.
Speedi-sleeves are usually available from bearing supply houses. But you'd be better off getting the parts from ashcroft as a speedi-sleeve would be a last resort.