Navigation System using VSS

Blueboy

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Also I lose it even more in the Freelander than in the D90 because of the heated windshield

definately one of the other reasons we had to mount an external antenna on Blueboy as among the straight rake windshield coupled with no horizontal dash space to place the unit and the heating elements in the windshield, there was almost no signal getting to it when mounted inside.


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Stick it to the roof. Then you have the whole roof acting as a satellite.
 

Leslie

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D Chapman said:
Stick it to the roof. Then you have the whole roof acting as a satellite.

I agree that an external antenna is great, but the roof's not gonna help... all the roof's gonna do is throw multipath signals at you. It's a good thing that external antennas are designed to reject multipaths.
 

Blueboy

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I agree that an external antenna is great, but the roof's not gonna help


Garmin said the same when I asked where should I mount it.

it is on the front corner of the roof rack on a little stainless steel coupon that the antenna sits on.

also makes for a nice wire run to the center divider in the windshield.


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Hmmmm. Kenwood advised to place the antenna in the center of the roof for best reception. Of course, I did not do that becuase it would look tacky. But, I did not want it in the window, either.
 

Leslie

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On a GPS, the antenna can either be a little patch antenna, or if you have a more accurate dome, it's about an inch or so tall inside the dome. What's important when using a GPS is that the antenna has a clear direct view of the sky. Placing it on the roof is good, in that it is avoiding the shielding effect of being inside of a vehicle.

However, in environments with a lot of hard surfaces, GPS signals from the satellites can bounce. Remember, the way a GPS works is, it's timing how long it takes for the signal to arrive from the satellite to calculate distance. If the GPS antenna picks up these signals, that have traveled a little bit further because they're bouncing, then you're degrading the tightness of your calculated position.

This is not a transmitting antenna, like a CB. There, you have to watch your ground plane; thus, the center of a roof would be best for such; by mounting a CB antenna (or a HAM radio antenna) on one end of a vehicle roof, you're skewing the plane's presentation. By mounting a GPS antenna on the roof, you're just getting a good sky-view. It doesn't matter if it's at the front or at the back, or in the center.

This used to be a bigger problem. However, most units' programming now accounts for such. And, external antennas are usually shielded to keep low-angle signals from being read. (And, units like a Trimble unit have a horizon mask that can be applied to disregard those low-angle signals... such as, anything from lower than 15 degrees.)

It wasn't that I was saying to not mount it on the roof, I was just clarifying that a GPS is not going to use the whole roof as a satellite dish to catch more signals (at least not w/o having signal degradation).
 

paxton

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chrisvonc said:
it also depends on geographic location. Down here in TX I lose signal much more than I did living on the East Coast. Also I lose it even more in the Freelander than in the D90 because of the heated windshield.

Geographic location makes no difference. If what you say is indeed true (the part about losing signal more often in Texas than the east coast), there are other factors involved. Ask me how I know.
 

Leslie

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paxton said:
Geographic location makes no difference.

Not entirely true. The distribution of the satellites in the sky varies with latitude. Closer to the poles, and you'll have fewer satellites visible. However, at a given latitude, variance in longitude shouldn't cause a change. Thus....

paxton said:
If what you say is indeed true (the part about losing signal more often in Texas than the east coast), there are other factors involved. Ask me how I know.

With that, I'll concur. Texas and the eastern seaboard aren't so greatly different that a given location at one shouldn't be able to see about the same as another location at the other. Terrain, vegetation, etc., *will* make a difference.
 

lcater

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The unit has now been in for a few weeks and is working well. When I had it installed we took the time to clean up the existing wiring messes the PO has made so that the fuses actually match the device. One last thing on the VSS is it helps position the direction of the vehicle when you are no longer on a designated road (i.e. a parking lot). So when starting a route, the vss uses the information provided to know if the last movement in the vehicle was forward or reverse and uses this to indicate direction of travel on the screen. Not a major item unless you have difficulty navigating out of a parking lot.
 
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