New Land Cruiser

[RVR OVR]

Might be old news for folks,but I just saw this today.

I priced out the 1958 as a "stripper" model, only adding rock sliders from the base price. The only thing I would care about that is not on this model and on the next model up is the sway bar disconnect.

56k base price and $1000 for the rock sliders makes this look like a really good bargain. Thoughts?

 

[1of40]

These are 4cyl hybrids, right?

 

[RVR OVR]

Yep. Keep in mind that Toyota has been building 4 cyclinder hybrids for years that go 8-10 years and 150k without a battery change. Plenty of examples of them going longer.

 

[luckyjoe]

See if you can get an actual dealer price. Probably not $56k.

 

[StangGT5]

I could stomach the Lexus sister, but that thing looks positively plastic for $56K. According to Doug DeMuro the Lexus rides like the old body-on-frame Lexus GX rode. The twin turbo 6 that looks good on paper isn't near as peppy in action, so I'd bet that turbo 4 is going to struggle. The Tacoma people I know aren't happy about it in the newest Tacoma but it doesn't have a hybrid drive to help out yet. Prius (Pri'?) drives do last a long time and individual battery cells can be replaced. I have to imagine tech has come a long way since the gen 2 Prius though.

All that said, I'd take a mid level 6cyl Bronco or 4cylinder Defender over that box. I'd rather have a lot of used cars, a LC200 included, but that's apples to oranges to some people. Have no doubt the Yota boys will eat these up though.

 

[ERover82]

Haven't been interested in a Toyota in a long time, but watching this, I was impressed with both new models. This guy takes an analytical approach that I enjoyed in contrast to typical hype and impression videos.

 

[Howski]

Demuro reviewed the GX. Didn’t look like back seat had much room given the vehicles size. Kinda a bummer. To add the LC nor the trail model GX are available with 3rd row. Once the pending dealer markups settle down seems like a reasonably priced capable new 4x4 though

 

[MM3846]

Haven't been interested in a Toyota in a long time, but watching this, I was impressed with both new models. This guy takes an analytical approach that I enjoyed in contrast to typical hype and impression videos.

I love his videos.

The base model makes a lot of sense, but, no sunroof, no third row. $55k buys a lot of 93 and LR4 parts.

 

[Blue]

The pricing on the LC is good for the base model “1958” and really good for the mid-range “Land Cruiser” (what a dumb model designation). $56k and $61k respectively. The “First Edition” is just plain stupid at $75k. The best deal is mid-range plus premium package coming in around $66k.

Actually getting your hands on one without a $20k dealer markup? Fat chance.

 

[Howski]

It looks like the new 4Runner is simply a reskinned (in the vein of Tacoma/Sequoia) Land Cruiser with a 2wd option. Nearly everything else is identical - wheelbase, dimensions, powertrains, etc. Get the economies of sharing a platform but there is massive overlap between the two with little differentiation. I’m sure they’ll sell but an odd way to position these two vehicles in the market

 

[Blue]

I really like the new 4Runner. If it turns our that I could live with a hyper-active turbo 4-cylinder (maybe the electric motor will calm it down a bit), then this might be the truck for me. I fantasize about 23 mpg on regular gas with over 300 HP and over 400 lb-ft and a rear locker and busty blondes on white sand beaches (in that order). For some reason the new Land Cruiser just looks cheap and tin-canny to me, like a Samurai. Next to the new 4Runner it looks even cheaper. The 4Runner TuRD Pro will probably be mid-or high-$60ks right up there with the top-range Land Cruiser/Land Cruiser with some premium options (I'm not considering the over-priced First Edition Land Cruiser to be top-range because it's just a limited edition cash grab). And for 2025 they have the Trailmaster model which looks interesting but I can't figure out if they are considering Trailmaster > TRD Pro. Looks like it will cost more but also looks like they are just trying to grab some more cash from the uber-cool overlanding hipster homos. It has a raised air intake, air compressor in cargo area, and Old Man Emu suspension vs. the Fox suspension in the TRD Pro. Why not just option on the intake and air compressor on the TRD Pro?

At any rate, you are correct, these two vehicles are essentially competing for the same floor space in the Toyota show rooms. I think the Land Cruiser will be Mr. Popular until the new 4Runners start arriving en masse and then the Land Cruiser becomes yesterday's hottie.

And all that being said, I'm still hoping that the Lexus GX550 really impresses once I can play with one. Ironically I probably won't be able to get a 2024 GX550 until it's nearly 2025, and the 2025 4Runners are supposed to start coming in here in late 2024. The full-time four wheel drive system on the Lexus should be superior and the E-KDSS suspension should be superior. But also look at the specs of the GX compared to the new 4Runner/Land Cruiser/Tacoma (should be about the same) - there's lots of overlap but a few key pro's & con's for each truck. The economy of the 4Runner will be a major pro but I think the compromised rear cargo room with the elevated floor and low roofline of the 4Runner will be a major con...especially coming from 25 years of Land Rover Discoveries.

2024 GX550 Overtrail:	2025 4Runner TRD Pro:
349 HP & 479lb-ft	326 HP & 465 lb-ft
twin-turbo V6, no hybrid	turbo-4 hybrid
premium fuel, 15/21/17 mpg	regular fuel, about 22/25/23 mpg based on Tacoma & Land Cruiser
range 316/443 miles	range 484/550 assuming 22 gal gas tank - may have smaller tank due to better mpg
10-speed transmission	8-speed transmission
tow rating 9096 lbs	tow rating 6000 lbs
197"L X 78"W (no mirrors) X 76" H	195"L X 78" W X 71" H
112" wheelbase	112" wheelbase
weight 5500 lbs	weight ? About 5000 lbs? (2024 TRD Pro is 4750 lbs)
46 ft3 cargo behind 2nd row, 90 ft3 behind front seats	less cargo space, battery raises cargo floor considerably, low roofline
8.9" ground clearance	9.2" ground clearance
33" tires stock	33" tires stock
full-time 4WD, locking center diff	part-time 4WD, 2H, 4H, 4L transfer case
locking rear diff	locking rear diff
E-KDSS front & rear swaybar system	electronic front stabilizer bar disconnect
same TNGA-F truck platform, body on ladder frame	same TNGA-F truck platform, body on ladder frame
double wishbone front, 5-link solid rear axle	double wishbone front, 5-link solid rear axle
$69,250 base Overtrail	mid-high $60Ks TRD Pro?
It's a Lexus	It's a Toyota

 

[Grum.man]

Shew I just don't get it. 50-60k for a 4runner/Land Cruiser... 80-90k for an Ineos. I guess you can't take it with you but I think I'd have a 30k Rav4 as a daily and a 5k Discovery for off road.

 

[Blue]

I heard the new Land Cruiser referred to as a Rav4 with lockers and thought it was appropriately funny.

 

[p m]

I guess you can't take it with you but I think I'd have a 30k Rav4 as a daily and a 5k Discovery for off road.

A 5K Discovery will eventually use ALL of your free time to keep on or off road. If you don't think so, you're delusional.

 

[Tugela]

I heard the new Land Cruiser referred to as a Rav4 with lockers and thought it was appropriately funny.

A couple months back I rented a Bronco Sport while traveling. Trailhead Edition? I was surprised to see that it had a selectable locking rear differential. But not, I think, low range. Sadly I was not in an area where I could try it out. In any case, interesting to see that feature on a small SUV in this country.

 

[Howski]

I heard the new Land Cruiser referred to as a Rav4 with lockers and thought it was appropriately funny.

IMO the T4R is far uglier than the LC. It’s a mashup of a Vehicross/1st Gen Durango/new Sequoia. Terrible styling

 

[ERover82]

A 5K Discovery will eventually use ALL of your free time to keep on or off road. If you don't think so, you're delusional.

A Grenadier will immediately use ALL of your income to keep on or off road. If you don't think so, you're part of an economic class that doesn't frequent Dweb anyway.

Is it better to be broke down or just broke? Depends..

 

[ERover82]

IMO the T4R is far uglier than the LC. It’s a mashup of a Vehicross/1st Gen Durango/new Sequoia. Terrible styling

They're both goofy looking. Everything has flipped and now the damn former-predator GX is the relative beauty queen.

 

[p m]

A Grenadier will immediately use ALL of your income to keep on or off road. If you don't think so, you're part of an economic class that doesn't frequent Dweb anyway.

I don't think so, I know that it doesn't. 7K miles may be too short of a time history to extrapolate, however.
As far as economic class... My WAG is approximately 100 Discoweb visits a week, not counting approving new users.

 

[ERover82]

I don't think so, I know that it doesn't. 7K miles may be too short of a time history to extrapolate, however.
As far as economic class... My WAG is approximately 100 Discoweb visits a week, not counting approving new users.

My play on words wasn't referring to maintenance costs, but the overall cost. You commented a while ago on being broke for the foreseeable future, which is understandable considering the cost. The point is that it's a compromise either way. A person either invests their dollars or their time.