new shackle
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seventyfive said:
OH NO HE DIDNT!!
But I agree, Tom do you use the Columbus Mckinnon shackles to rig your truck to a crane?
This really says it all. Either you don't want to understand or don't give a shit about safe rigging. Have fun.seventyfive said:
seventyfive said:
It allows some control assuming the wheels are moving versus no control with the drivers asshole tight as Daniel's cats ass.
I'll provide teaching in exchange for "other" services as well. I am not a whore to money.
People should spend more time paying attention to good drivers instead of thinking they've seen it all and done it all. They haven't. They've just been doing it the wrong way for a longer time that's all.
I've been driving on road for 25 years. Does that make me a good on road/hard surface driver? Of course not. Spending years with the SCCA doing autoX was a help for starters. Much of that can translate to off road driving as well. Looking forward to some high speed, hard surface training with ITI this winter.
Nope. I haven't rigged a vehicle to a crane since the mid 80's.Jake1996D1 said:But I agree, Tom do you use the Columbus Mckinnon shackles to rig your truck to a crane?
But using shackles with a 5:1 design factor allows me to be comfortable in some situations using a smaller/lighter one than I would need to if using shackles with a 3:1 design factor.
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Shut the fuck up, Tom. Have you even been off road and whitnessed a recovery since the tow strap was invented? I bet PT has spent more time doing this stuff than you.
I guess you're trying to imply, in your usual way, that something I've said in this thread is incorrect. Let me know what it is and I'll correct it.D Chapman said:
garrett said:
I just use the bumper-old tire-bumper method and push people out. No need to have one of these complete recovery kits everyone talks about.
D Chapman said:
Tow Strap
http://tiestraps.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Tow-Strap.jpg
Recovery Strap
http://www.jeep-tech-tips.com/images/strap_big.jpg
Two different beasts. Tow strap should never be used really. Only meant for towing old Chevette's down an interstate behind a jacked up K5 Blazer. They have the sewn in hooks and typically have little to no stretch. Recovery straps however have heavy loops and have up to 10% stretch. No flying hooks to deal with when Billy Bob tries using a tow strap as a recovery strap.
I think you're preaching to the choir, Garrett. My comment about Tom using a tow strap was meant to mean the dude has not seen a tree in the woods since I was a little kid. He likes to talk about wheeling, but in reality he has not seen the outskirts of the Atlanta premier in years.
I'm out of town and will post up another video with a smaller radius when I get back. It snaps at 25??? Something I don't have the info here with me.
Please keep in mind these shackles are not rated for life safety 1 to 3 or greater. Do you think the synthetic winch line we all use is 1 to 3 or better and should only snap at 50k plus.
Tom
I don't think you are out to get me and your just concerned for the end user but I would like to know what part of the truck is rated to match the shackles that you attach them to?
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Please keep in mind these shackles are not rated for life safety 1 to 3 or greater. Do you think the synthetic winch line we all use is 1 to 3 or better and should only snap at 50k plus.
Tom
I don't think you are out to get me and your just concerned for the end user but I would like to know what part of the truck is rated to match the shackles that you attach them to?
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I'm definitely interested in seeing that. I'm also curious about what rope it is since it appears to be stronger in a knotted loop configuration than the strongest 3/8" line on master pull's web site and so seems to defy all loading characteristics of rope.FIVESPDDISCO said:
Life rating is actually 8:1 or 10:1 I'm pretty sure. No, I know winch line isn't (though there isn't any reason it can't be), but everything is a trade off and for most people having more feet on the drum is the more important than a higher safety factor.
Of course I'm not. Anyone who knows me knows the idea that I'd be out to get you or your business is laughable.
Yes, my only concern is the end user who might see the word "shackle" and think it's safe to use anywhere and in the same ways and the same loads as a steel shackle.
I don't know that anything in a recovery setup ever really matches exactly, and I don't think you'd want it to. For me, I want the weak link, at least with winching, to be the stall load of an electric and shear pin on a PTO. I've seen figures for the Rover chassis strength but the best I can find in a bit of searching is about 30,000lb yield on a D1 well made and well mounted front bumper. Other models vary from that figure, assuming what I found is right, but it sounds reasonable.
antichrist said:
you posted a lot of theory on this topic, however on another forum you posted a comment contradicting your theory over real world implementation. so what is it? do you rely on real world trial and error or theory? over on pirate your comment seems as though you rely on trial and error, and on this thread you rely on theory.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1011865&page=3
poor ben is just trying to find a decent tire, and going by your intentions on this thread, i would assume you would help him with facts and theories, but you didn't. why?
antichrist said:
I'm just confused why on this forum you are going on and on about facts and on pirate you made a comment contradicting it?
you honestly think i don't understand anything about recovery and/or i don't care about safe recovery? and you've gathered this solely from the internet not ever having wheeled with me? WOW that sounds even more like Ben, the guy you tried to degrade by quipping about real world vs. theory.
so which is it? do you go solely by facts and theories or real world experience? it is a very simple yes or no question.
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I never said you don't understand "anything" about recovery.seventyfive said:
If you're claiming you care, then obviously you're not understanding my points about how rope doesn't have a fixed load capacity. I'm not going to try to explain it any more to you, maybe someone else can in a way you'll get it.