Obama keepin it real for his hommies...
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ptschram said:
PT; Can't agree.
It seems not so much a matter of free speech, but more a matter of Gates not cooperating and being overly aggressive.
ptschram said:
BULLSHIT. The one time a cop takes his guard down, his life could end. The free speech angle is WEAK. You don't think cops have been lied to in the past by someone breaking in to another man's house, "Yeah, I live here and I don't have to do shit you tell me cuz I'm on my own property." Right. Is that enough for a cop to walk away in your eyes? NO. He didn't give up his ID right away either. That was the problem.
Gates was being loud and not cooperating. The cop was trying to determine if there was someone else in the house for Gates' safety and his... He was not baited. Give me a break. Gates was being a total JACK ASS about the whole situation, throwing a temper tantrum like a teenager, and shouting out racism comments.... screaming how he is just a black man in America and blah, blah, blah.
If he wanted to be a true role model, he would have been mature about the situation and not created a scene for fucks sake.
Cooperate with cops and respect their direction. They do work for us and if you're not doing anything wrong, don't be a fucking jack ass and run your mouth to them. Do what they say and you walk away.
Quit grasping and get a grip.
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D Chapman said:
And our economy being what it is, the President damn sure better have something more important on the front of his mind. Unless, of course, he is trying to stir up racial tension for his own benefit.
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J. Toronado said:
The point is your buddies Jackson and Sharpton are very quick to throw the race flag. Now your boy Barry is following suit.
This case is not about race. It never was. It's a case about a cop doing his job to start with; then it's about a home owner getting shitty with the cop because he responded to a call.
I'm sure there was a reason for the guy to be arrested. A cop is not going to arrest someone for being loud or rightfully upset. I'm sure the cop was pushed and push until he had enough. Of course this is just speculation.
I hope an in-dash video magically appears soon showing what really went down.
J. Toronado said:
Yes, they did. It's all over the news today.
Course, you're probably listening to Obama radio where everything is regulated.
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HunterAK said:
He provided both a Harvard ID and a Massachusetts drivers license. He substantiated his identity and place of residence in an incontrovertible manner.
The police officer claimed his reasoning to ask Harper to leave the house was due to noise in the house and his inability to hear his radio.
He expected it to be quieter outside?
It was explained to the cop that he had misplaced his keys. At that point, there was no further reason for law enforcement to be there, much less not apologizing and leaving.
Do what they say and walk away? Fat Chance. If a cop is abusing his authority, a few things will happen. First off, I'll usually be arrested for disorderly conduct (this was a lot more fun before Craig got arrested in the Minneapolis airport!), the cop will be told by his supervisor to apologize to me, the cop will get to read his name in the paper when I write my letter to the editor, and last, the internal affairs department will get a letter from me and the cop will have a nasty letter from a CITIZEN in his personnel file.
It is not unlawful for a citizen to speak critically of a police officer. It IS against the law for that person to be arrested for doing so. This case bears that out. If these charges had any basis, Harper would still be in jail and we wouldn't be debating it.
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D Chapman said:
People who have badges and guns should have thicker skin.
I told that to a cop as he was driving me home after I'd been detained for disorderly conduct. He commented that he was a former Marine. I told him that made it even worse that he had detained me for an hour and I was going to be sure to put that in my complaint.
When he dropped me off at home, he said to me that he was sorry he'd fucked up. I calmly told him that it was the same word that had caused him to detain me, yet I got detained and he used it in recognizing his error.
D Chapman said:
LOL my buddies Jackson and Sharpton? Where do you get that from? It's true I have met both men in my travels but I wouldn't say that we know each other or that I agree with them now, then or ever. But they do speak their minds freely and I'm glad they do. Dan, anytime a white man arrests a black man for something stupid and acts stupidly in the process the race card is thrown. Every fucking day. So what? Are you going to get all white-man angry about it? There is a reason why this happens today and its because only about 30-50 years ago a guy like you could do whatever you wanted to a black man and get away with it. So suck it up dude. Shit goes both ways.
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Do they have Obama radio? That would be awesome. I dont even listen to any radio anymore. I have you guys to keep me informed on all the stupid shit going on in the world.
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ptschram said:
He didn't provide his ID to the officer until it was CONVENIENT FOR HIM... which is after he threw his tantrum and acted like a child. The cops weren't abusing their authority. Thick skin? I'm sure they wished they had bullet proof skin, because that's the world they have to live in day after day and Mr. Gates should respect that... Moreover, he shouldn't jump to the conclusion that every white cop is racist. It's counterproductive to the end of racism, unless he wants it to continue so he can have an outlet for his own personal anger issues.
I wouldn't sit back and let Gates verbally attack me either. It is not against the law to speak your mind against a cop, but it is to interfere with an investigation. They showed up to help... Gates instigated a confrontation. Don't forget, assault includes verbal actions, not just physical. Gates should look it up... he's a smart guy... to some.
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HunterAK said:
I'm so glad you live in Alaska man. Can we get all of you Nazi shitkickers to move up there to start your own colony or something?
Cops have to do their jobs but their authority ends at my home without a fucking warrant! You can say the cop wasnt racist. Fine. And maybe Gates shouldnt have thrown a shit fit. Fine. But there was NO reason to arrest this guy. Plain and simple. If there was no arrest made this wouldnt be a story. Cop should have walked away when he saw man was upset, in his own home, and not causing anyone any harm. Now if Gates had been holding a knife or threatened the cop in some way, different story. Its not racist. It's just an affront to an American homeowner's civil liberties. Period.
ptschram said:
Who told you that? Incorrect. They work for the state, and they uphold the interests of the state, including its various diktats. If, for example, in a routine situation your propery is protected, it is not because the mission is to protect your property, but rather because it is in the interests of the state to protect your property in order to preserve order (and the state).
The same folks who are against socialized health care often line up in favor of socialized protection.
Socialized protection - what we euphemistically call "policing" - is a complete failure. It fails for the same reasons as socialized medicine:
- Misallocation of resources
- Bureaucracy above efficacy
- rationing
One of the most fundamental ploys of the state is to disarm the people and make self defense a crime. In the United States we are half way to the former and most of the way to the later.
Once the people are largely disarmed and disincented, if not outright prohibited from defending themselves, the state will then create a permanent, full-time police force to provide for your defense. Bureaucracies and taxes will be then be expanded to support such a force. Over time, the force will be expanded to include various specialist divisions – drugs, traffic, undercover secret police, etc – and bureaucracies will expand and overlap accordingly – federal, state, county and local – until the people suffer a vast web of agencies each in charge of policing the same group: the people. Fortunately for the agents of the state, its various bodies will be busy legislating and regulating away the people’s liberties and creating new ‘crimes’ against which they might then police.
Career crime is largely created by the failures of socialized protection. If individuals were responsible for their own protection, those who would otherwise practice crime as a career and/or be incarcerated at your expense would quickly be killed or seriously wounded while attempted to rob/batter/rape/kill a private citizen. Careers in crime would therefore be extremely dangerous and often quite short.
Instead, we have socialized protection - a protection racket run by the government largely to enforce its own laws of confiscation ("taxation") against citizens and defend its own monopolies in certain enterprises. Thus is the "black market" in commerce created, and thus are career criminals sustained indefinitely at your expense.
How does all this relate to the Gates situation? We, as a society, have accepted that disrespecting an "officer" is a crime worthy of being handcuffed and arrested. Again, a slippery slope. Let's hope it's not the ATF at your door some day.
Edit: none of this should be confused as my questioning the fact that Gates is a jackass. He is. But we cannot permit jackassery to be a crime. Also, for the record, Obama was a jackass for commenting on it as de facto POTUS. Bad call.
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Here is the Police report. Read it.
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Gates_Arrest.pdf
Just like thieves drive up the prices on goods/merch. The Police deal with such scum of the earth on a day to day basis they must be cautious of everyone. Now this guy telling 'yo mama' jokes when the officer is trying to establish his identity is going to raise red flags. The Police deserve an apology for doing their job....
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/Gates_Arrest.pdf
Just like thieves drive up the prices on goods/merch. The Police deal with such scum of the earth on a day to day basis they must be cautious of everyone. Now this guy telling 'yo mama' jokes when the officer is trying to establish his identity is going to raise red flags. The Police deserve an apology for doing their job....
J. Toronado said:
There, I fixed it for you. That should appeal more to your logic. Moron.
There was reason to arrest him, sorry to burst your bubble. I don't make the laws on disorderly conduct or interfering with a police investigation. If you don't like it, call your local government officials and ask them to change it dickwod.
And even if there wasn't an arrest made, this guy would have called his CNN buddies anyway to get his point across.... which is that we still live in a society with white racist cops who prolong the end of racism as a whole. That may be true, but guess what? We also live in a society with old black men who can't get over it and cry wolf and play the race card whenever they feel entitled to, which is in almost every scenario for them... this also prolongs the end of racism as a whole and Mr. Gates seems to be blind to this fact and so do a lot of other people in this country.
African americans never point to themselves as a reason that racism is still alive and they play their part too.... the finger is pointed at white americans in 99% of cases.
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Are you fucking kidding me? He is on my TV talking about it again!!
This is not a presidential issue.
This is not a presidential issue.
He opened his big fucking mouth, so now he has to stop running our country and address this "issue". At least it may distract him from spending 23 trillion of our dollars for a minute.
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J. Toronado said:
Exactly.
Oh, that makes it okay then.
"white-man angry"?? Who are you trying to kid? Stop turning this into a race thing. It's not about race. Your boys Jackson, Sharpton, and Obama are turning it into a race thing. I know full well it's not about race. I'm not getting "white-man angry", what ever that is. This case is about as fucked up as the Denny's class action lawsuit or the McDonalds hot coffee lawsuit. And now the President of the United States of America feels the need to talk about it publicly during a news conference???? Come on, you're not stupid enough to see what's really going on here, are you?
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