oil light

T&M Rover

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Ok truck was not started for a while, while i got parts together to put in a new trans and LT230 in. I installed every thing started truck every thing was ok (no oil light ). I changed the oil switched from a K&N filter to Mobile 1 filter started truck with new oil the oil light is on. Thought maybe i got a bad filter put in a new mobil 1 filter still oil light.

Running 20w50 castrol

1991 RRC Milage on truck is 160,000
Dropped pan to see if the pick up was clogged (its not) no junk at the bottom of the pan either. Looked up in to the cylinders could steal see honing marks on the cylinder walls makes me think the motor has been rebuilt at some time not a 160,000 on the motor good to know.

I changed the oil switch also (oil light still on).

Going to do
1. Switch back to K&N Filter
2. Get a the oil sensor at the bottom of the pain (heard they were discontinued from D.A.P is that true!)
3. Pack Oil pump Full of grease to reprime oil system does it get unprimed changing the oil (Never done this before)
4. Get oil rebuild kit.

(I have a bad battery in it that im changing right now but dont really think that has to do with any thing)

Any thoughts or Ideas would be great !


Thanks Matt
 
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ratboy said:
oil pumps do no generally lose prime during a routine oil change.

No, no, no, it's the oldest old wive's tale, just like slipping liners, camshaft wear, camshaft bearings in the oil pan and the loch ness monster!:rofl:

Matt:
Before you disassemble anything, hook your trusty test light to the oil pressure switch and hook the other end to the positive post of the battery.

Does the light come on when you connect it?

If so, does it go out when you start the truck?

Don't bother with the sensor in the bottom of the pan, it isn't causing the problem. If it's associated with the oil level logic unit (something that will be uncovered during the test light test method), we'll deal with that shortly.

For now, let's confirm that it really is a low pressure situation and not a faulty switch or circuit.

FWIW-the '88 had a similar appearance. The oil light doesn't come on during bulb test, I went to the pressure switch and then went to an oil pressure gauge to discover a cam bearing in the oil pan.
 

T&M Rover

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Hooking the test light from the wire to the positive lead, the light comes on on the dash. Hooking the test light from the switch without the wire connected to the lead, the light does not come on on the dash. Hooking the test light to the switch with the wire connected to it, the light on the dash does not come on either. Wasn't sure which way you wanted, so I did all three.
 
T&M Rover said:
Hooking the test light from the wire to the positive lead, the light comes on on the dash. Hooking the test light from the switch without the wire connected to the lead, the light does not come on on the dash. Hooking the test light to the switch with the wire connected to it, the light on the dash does not come on either. Wasn't sure which way you wanted, so I did all three.

Where the Hell did I tell you to do ANYTHING with the wire from the oil pressure switch? You wasted a day by not following instructions.

Ignore the dash light completely, we don't give a fuck about it.

TAke your trusty test light and attach it to the oil pressure switch (there should be a spade lug on the end) and the positive post of the battery. Do not attach that test light anywhere other than where I tell you. Don't follow instructions, bad things can happen.

The test light should be on. Start the engine. Observe the test light.

I'm not big on spoonfeeding, but sometimes, it's necessary.

What we have done is removed the entire circuit of the oil light indicator circuit and replaced it with your test light. The test light becomes the oil pressure indicator light.

Now, go run the test as described.
 

T&M Rover

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Sorry, I got excited. Yes, when I attached the test light to the oil pressure switch and the positive post of the battery, the test light came on. I started the engine and the test light stayed on the entire time the engine was running. It never flickered or dimmed.
 
OK, now we have definitive proof that we are not generating, or we are not maintaining oil pressure.

It might be time to drop the oil pan and look for cam bearings, or we could go to the trouble of getting an adapter for the oil pressure port and testing it with a gauge, but my experience has been that the lights can be trusted in this regard.

OK, went back and read what you'd done/said.

Disconnect the top oil cooler line and start the engine. If the oil pump is pumping, it will get messy quickly-that and you have no oil flow to the engine.

PT
 

jims95

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If the oil pump pressure relief ball is stuck in the open position, you will not get the oil pressure light to go out.

If you have a Shop or RAVE manual, you will see a hex head fitting, with a sealing washer, that pushes against a spring, that pushes the pressure relief ball into a seat.

As you say, the vehicle was sitting for a while. If the oil "varnished" and a piece broke off and does not let the pressure relief ball seat, you won't get enough oil pressure to turn off thge light.

Take it apart, clean it, and see if the test light will go out.
 

T&M Rover

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Ok just so i know what should the oil pressure read when i stick a mechanical gauge on it.

P.T. what is your main bearing set going for ?

Is there a price difference between STD and over sized ?

Im going to stick a mechanical gauge on it just so I know for my self, then drop one of the bearings if need be to see if they're oversized or not.
 

ratboy

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jims95 said:
If the oil pump pressure relief ball is stuck in the open position, you will not get the oil pressure light to go out.

If you have a Shop or RAVE manual, you will see a hex head fitting, with a sealing washer, that pushes against a spring, that pushes the pressure relief ball into a seat.

As you say, the vehicle was sitting for a while. If the oil "varnished" and a piece broke off and does not let the pressure relief ball seat, you won't get enough oil pressure to turn off thge light.

Take it apart, clean it, and see if the test light will go out.

had a saab 900 16 valve that would do that
 
Let's throw a gauge on it before we go any further. It could be the stuck relief ball valve, it could be a cam bearing in the oil pan.

When we get a real gauge on it, we can visually confirm if the engine is ever generating any pressure.

The truck I just pulled the engine out of, had really low oil pressure at idle. As soon as it came up off idle, the pressure was great. Of course, I never expected to find a cam bearing in the pan either!
 

kk88rrc

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ptschram said:
TAke your trusty test light and attach it to the oil pressure switch (there should be a spade lug on the end) and the positive post of the battery. Do not attach that test light anywhere other than where I tell you. Don't follow instructions, bad things can happen.

The test light should be on. Start the engine. Observe the test light.

I'm not big on spoonfeeding, but sometimes, it's necessary.

What we have done is removed the entire circuit of the oil light indicator circuit and replaced it with your test light. The test light becomes the oil pressure indicator light.
My oil light is came on yesterday morning. I've tested as above but with my multi-meter. 12+V engine not started. Start engine it drops to 0.02V. So I should have oil pressure right?!?

Even when disconnected, the idiot light stays on. In the past the light would not always work with bulb check and also the low level sensor is not hooked up.

What's the next step to check? Logic unit?
 

Gordo

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Do yourself a favor man and put a real gauge in there. BTW you can also slightly resurface the pump cover itself to grab a few more pounds of pressure. Just make sure you use a real fine sandpaper with water on a FLAT surface like glass and go to town. Just enough to take the circular marks out will make a difference. Dont forget you need a new gasket. Gordo
 
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bonnettoboot

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Re: oil light food for thought

This might be of interest to all. Hope it isn't too much.
The 03 DII came in for general service as it had just been purchased, amongst the things to check was a flickering Oil Warning Light (OWL), at idle. We decided to check the pressure. The first time the engine was cold and it had good oil pressure 10-14 at idle and it raised to 30 when revved slightly, (the factory specs are 15 min at idle and 50 max at 2000 rpm) so we replaced the switch. After doing other repairs I drove my usual 5 minute test route, on returning to the lot the light came on again! We tested it again hot, the pressure had now dropped to 10/12 PSi, going up only slightly to about 15 at acceleration. We tried a different gauge, this time we had almost no pressure; we then tried without a gauge, ie the hose going straight to a container, it came out in spurts, first nothing and then a blast of oil then nothing. We decided to remove the Oil Pressure Relief Valve (OPRV) but it was stuck, we turned over the engine to see if a little pressure would help push it out, IT DID! It blew oil everywhere!!! we had good pressure, and a shop floor and clothes covered with oil, meaning, the pump was capable of delivering pressure. We cleaned and adjusted the valve and retried, again we had low pressure. Clearly something was wrong internally so we removed the oil pan to investigate, all looked OK. We then removed the timing cover to examine the pump, the gears were perfect, no sign of damage or wear. What do we do?? We decided to strip the cover completely and check for an internal fault of some sort. We discovered it had another pressure relief valve on the opposite side. We then traced the oil flow and were surprised, the diagram shows the flow from the pump, out the bottom of the timing cover to the oil cooler via a hose then back to the right side of the cover. It then goes through the oil filter to the engine via the OPRV channel. This other valve appears to be a by pass in case the filter becomes blocked! An Oil filter By pass Valve, (OFBV) was common on many cars in the 60?s, it permitted oil flow to the engine in an the case of a full flow filter becoming restricted. Most systems included a separate red warning light indicating that the filter was blocked or restricted. Our oil circuit HAS NO COOLER! This changes everything. The oil does not exit the timing cover, it cannot, so where does it go ! By now we are puzzled, how is this engine getting oil? Well, the pressure build up is virtually the same as a blocked filter, the OFBV then opens at its set pressure probably around the 15PSI range, diverting the flow via a channel into the main gallery feeding the engine. This is interesting as if the pressure were lower than that set pressure the OFBV would not open, if that were so the engine would be virtually starved of oil at idle! Also as the filter is now by passed the oil delivery is unfiltered! Now what! We thought all we have to do is fit a cooler, perhaps someone had removed it. But there was no sign that one was ever fitted. I have since checked, and although my technical data system shows an oil cooler, the D2 never had one fitted, although, the Range Rover version of the engine did! We then thought of having a hose system made to connect up the two blanked fittings on the cover, opening the correct oil flow route. But of course we weren?t 100% sure of our diagnosis. We then realized that if we removed the OFBV we could have oil flow directly to the engine at all times. We did, we removed the valve portion refitting the spring and a spacer in order to hold the plug in position. We now carefully turned the engine over without the ignition relay, we had pressure. We then started the engine, at idle we have 10 to 12 psi, at 2000 rpm we have 35psi and at 3000 rpm we have 55psi . We now have better and consistent oil pressure throughout the rpm range albeit lower than the factory data requires. Where do we go from here, the vehicle is now drivable, I did so for about 50 miles on a very hot Sunday (discovered that the Electric fan did not work) in Los Angeles with an oil gauge connected and attached to the windshield wiper. The light still flickers at low idle with the vehicle in gear and AC on but it goes off instantly. Previously it was going off as the oil built up to its max around 15PSI now it goes off and the pressure increases with RPM. Now what do we do? The engine has obviously suffered from the oil starvation and its life has been reduced but in fact it is not noisy and drives quite well. But we need to find a better solution which probably means fitting a cooler of some sort. Or are there other options, do we have the wrong front cover, it is possible that someone previously replaced it. I went to look at a new one and it appears to be exactly the same externally. I would be happy to hear comments not only on this case, But on the possibility there are many other vehicles out there with the same problem!