OK Time to get out NOW

Ballah06

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Sounds like an attempt to make some cash on the Afghani side. What makes no sense is why the individual contractors, who file and claim U.S. residence (for example) are getting a tax bill from the Afghan authorities. They pay taxes here in the U.S., whatever the bracket is, and the rest should be handled by the companies themselves, not the individual workers. But that is just what makes sense to me.
 
Ballah06 said:
They pay taxes here in the U.S., whatever the bracket is, and the rest should be handled by the companies themselves, not the individual workers. But that is just what makes sense to me.

Depends upon how long they are out of the country. It used to be 300 continuous days and no income tax was due.

I do think it's kinda disingenuous of them to tax the folks we've sent there to make them safe and build their nation. We aren't spending enough to help them?
 

Ballah06

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ptschram said:
Depends upon how long they are out of the country. It used to be 300 continuous days and no income tax was due.

I do think it's kinda disingenuous of them to tax the folks we've sent there to make them safe and build their nation. We aren't spending enough to help them?

The rule was 330 IIRC, then your first 87ish k was tax free. The rest used to be taxed at the remaining amount's tax rate, i.e. if you made 150k and was out of the country over 330 days, then you were only taxed on 63k as if that was all you made in a year. Of course due to the ability to claim gear, expenses, etc. it was less than that. Post 2009 IIRC, the tax rule changed and although it is still 330 days and 80-90k tax free, now the remaining amount is taxed at the overall tax bracket, i.e. you pay taxes on the 63k at the 150k rate. Also a lot of companies who were not based in U.S., like DynCorp used to not have to report what and who they paid, but that changed in 2009 as well. So quite a few changes in the last few years, all boiling down to the gov't trying to dip into the whole contracting world and regulate the income and get revenue from taxes. So with all that said, those who work overseas and are either 1099 (self-employed) contractors or those who have taxes deducted from their salaries as they work, the gov't regulates and collects their share. In light of all that being taxed by the Afghani gov't would seem ridiculous. Of course there are multiple ways to claim deductions, etc. on your tax returns after working overseas, the bottom line is that you are a U.S. taxpayer. If none of those guys paid taxes in the U.S., then I could see them having to pay them locally. But i seriously doubt such is the case.
 
I only know what my cousin paid when she was a professor in HK in the 80s and my friend max when he was in KSA right after the first Gulf War. They both said that they paid no US income taxes for the $ earned overseas back then,

But, like all good tax laws, they've changed.

Doesn't change the fact that they are taxing income earned only because the US.gov is there.
 

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Andrew Homan said:
Glad I'm out! That place is falling apart fast.


That doesn't surprise me. A search of the time machine would find that way back we discussed this as a part of the OIF discoweb wars. Afghanistan was always a mess and I suspect/proposed that Bush looked at the Russian experience and said, "Don't think so". I suspect it was an integral part of planning OIF. Fight Al Qaeda / Taliban on "our" grounds, not theirs. Draw them into a theater that was more friendly to US capabilities and had the potential to stabilize. Even Al Qaeda admitted they were decimated in Iraq and lost the conflict.

Afghanistan was always a Democrat political position developed in the lead up to the 2004 presidential election. Afghanistan was positioned as the "Real War on Terror" in talking points even though from a military standpoint it never made sense. Afghanistan is a political disaster, not a military failure.
 

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MarkP said:
Afghanistan is a political disaster, not a military failure.

There's a difference? What did Clausewitz say? "War is not merely a political act, but also a political instrument, a continuation of political relations, a carrying out of the same by other means."
 

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MarkP said:
That doesn't surprise me. A search of the time machine would find that way back we discussed this as a part of the OIF discoweb wars. Afghanistan was always a mess and I suspect/proposed that Bush looked at the Russian experience and said, "Don't think so". I suspect it was an integral part of planning OIF. Fight Al Qaeda / Taliban on "our" grounds, not theirs. Draw them into a theater that was more friendly to US capabilities and had the potential to stabilize. Even Al Qaeda admitted they were decimated in Iraq and lost the conflict.

Afghanistan was always a Democrat political position developed in the lead up to the 2004 presidential election. Afghanistan was positioned as the "Real War on Terror" in talking points even though from a military standpoint it never made sense. Afghanistan is a political disaster, not a military failure.

Our military is the only good thing in that country. I was very impressed with us the Brits and most of our allies. Now the Afghan gov't is a different story.:banghead:
 

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Andrew Homan said:
Our military is the only good thing in that country. I was very impressed with us the Brits and most of our allies. Now the Afghan gov't is a different story.:banghead:

From what I hear, Karzai is as bad as the Taliban.
 

MarkP

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apg said:
There's a difference? What did Clausewitz say? "War is not merely a political act, but also a political instrument, a continuation of political relations, a carrying out of the same by other means."

Agreed, in the purest sense, war is a failure of cumulative politics and as you noted viewed as an extension. That said, sometimes it is merely waged for power.
 

MarkP

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Andrew Homan said:
Our military is the only good thing in that country. I was very impressed with us the Brits and most of our allies. Now the Afghan gov't is a different story.:banghead:


We knew that in the late 90's and early 00's. So did the Russians.
 

apg

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The time to 'win' in Afghanistan was in 1989. After the defeat of the Russians (and every other invading army in two milennia) there was a huge power vacuum following "Charlie Wilson's War." For the mujahadeen to defeat the red army, the CIA spent what? 10 million? but much more aid came from the Saudis. Wilson wanted 100 million for infrastructure improvements: wells, roads and schools, but nary a penny was appropriated. For that paltry amount, we could have bought out the entire country, but no. What natural resources did Afghanistan have besides opium and rocks? So why should "we" (as in the US) bother? It was easy for the Taliban and OBL to rise to power.
 

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Too add how insane our DOD and State is with Money in the 80s i was Stationed on a repair ship in northern Scotland and my Department had an secure secret TN line through British Telecom and we paid over 1Mil a year just for that line... The Site had about a dozen of those lines... Also we were their for NATO support and every time a Sailor left the ship walked across the landing the Brits/Scots charged the DOD a entry tax... PURE Insane, i'm sure were dumping money in the Middle east as insane and paying 3.50 a gallon at the pumps to boot...
No wonder is all imploding around the globe
 

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D90DC said:
Too add how insane our DOD and State is with Money in the 80s i was Stationed on a repair ship in northern Scotland and my Department had an secure secret TN line through British Telecom and we paid over 1Mil a year just for that line... The Site had about a dozen of those lines... Also we were their for NATO support and every time a Sailor left the ship walked across the landing the Brits/Scots charged the DOD a entry tax... PURE Insane, i'm sure were dumping money in the Middle east as insane and paying 3.50 a gallon at the pumps to boot...
No wonder is all imploding around the globe

I assume you were based at near Dunoon or Holy Loch (terribly sorry to hear that, godforsaken miserable place) and if in the 80's do you remember when HMS Plymouth and HMS Conqueror returned from the South Atlantic to Faslane / HBNB Clyde?
 

D90DC

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Yep Holly Loch Scotland was the site... Arm Pit of the Highlands... I was there 88-90...
 
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