Paragon no weapon policy !?

[dmcfarlane]

I have never been to Paragon, and was thinking based on all the positive comments about it that it would be a good place to go to now that my winch is working. So I went and browsed their website www.paragonap.com

Paragon states on their website (park guidelines, and elsewhere) that they disallow any "firearms or weapons" on their property. This would seem to me to include defensive weapons, such as a pocketknife, or Mace, or a Maglite.

Frankly, if they had just said firearms and not the more general "firearms or weapons" I would be inclined to boycott their facility. As it is, I find it hard to believe that visitors are indeed complying with these rules and wonder what their motivation is in putting such a restriction down. I am also perplexed that (to my knowledge) this issue hasn't been brought up before (at least, I haven't seen discussion of it on discoweb).

Should we be starting a Boycott Paragon movement, or am I missing something here? I could understand if they had a restriction against firearms discharge, and/or against carry by a non-permitted individual, and/or against open carry, but such a general restriction as they have strikes me as antithetical to the world view of the majority of the folks on this site, and I suspect most four-wheelers.

 

[D Chapman]

I'm sure it's a liability thing, but if you think you need a weapon to go wheeling in a "park", you have issues. But, I thought at one time they allowed hunting in the park during certin dates?

 

[cptyarderho]

It is private property, so it is surely a liability thing, in case Raybob desies to shoot his girlfriend for bad spotting. Boycot? Why?

 

[dmcfarlane]

Dan,

I surely don't think that one is particularly likely to need a weapon to go wheeling...

on the other hand, their website makes no mention that they provide lockboxes for everyone to secure their weapons on the way in (although were they to do so this would dramatically INCREASE their liability -- people would need to handle their weapons, which is a dangerous thing, and people would want assurances as to the safety and insurances pertaining to the storage).

Not to mention that it's just a plain short-sighted policy, and my objection is at least as much on principle as it is a practical one.

Regards,

Donald

 

[D Chapman]

Don, I think you need something to do, you seem really bored.

 

[chrisvonc]

To expect THEM to provide YOU a lockbox for something you shouldnt be bringing to the park to begin with is a good example of people NOT taking resoposibility for their own actions. Why should the park provide storage for something you should not be bringing to begin with?

Its not too hard to figure out. Its private property, there are legal issues that an off-road park does not want, need, or should have to dive into. Leave the weapon at home. End of story. Dont like it, wheel somewhere else.

 

[EricSiepmann]

This would seem to me to include defensive weapons, such as a pocketknife, or Mace, or a Maglite.

Frankly, if they had just said firearms and not the more general "firearms or weapons" I would be inclined to boycott their facility. As it is, I find it hard to believe that visitors are indeed complying with these rules and wonder what their motivation is in putting such a restriction down. I am also perplexed that (to my knowledge) this issue hasn't been brought up before (at least, I haven't seen discussion of it on discoweb).

Should we be starting a Boycott Paragon movement, or am I missing something here? I could understand if they had a restriction against firearms discharge, and/or against carry by a non-permitted individual, and/or against open carry, but such a general restriction as they have strikes me as antithetical to the world view of the majority of the folks on this site, and I suspect most four-wheelers.

I generally don't think of pocket knives and Mag-lights as defensive weapons. More like weapons of opportunity. You definetly don't need firearms or mace in a private park like paragon.

Why does common sense and proper firearm safety strike you as anti-thectical? I am not bold enough to speak for the "discoweb" in it's entirety and won't. But from the threads I have read most firearms owners here are much more mature, intelligent and responsible than you appear to be.

Leave your guns and paranoia at home where they belong.

 

[rmuller]

I would think what is classified as a weapon would be up to your better judgement. My definition is a weapon is something that is used to cause bodily harm to someone else. I'm a firm believer that the car is a more deadly weapon then the AK-47. If you feel that you may cause bodily harm to someone with a swiss-army knife, or a maglite.. then you shouldn't bring them (or go at all for that matter).


Hell, I could lob a d-shackle at someone and knock them out if I really wanted to.

 

[zeeto]

Not to mention that it's just a plain short-sighted policy, and my objection is at least as much on principle as it is a practical one.

How is this not practical?
Explain why you would need a gun in a private park where generally there are people around who are within shouting distance?

Why is it that people are soo quick to jump to the conclusion that they're "rights" are being violated?

 

[nosivad_bor]

Yes , How dare they say what YOU can bring on THEIR property. The nerver of some people... Where do they think they are at, America?

Rd

 

[Discojunky]

Screw em'!! Take your weapon keep it out of site and who will know? You won't get searched unless your doing something wrong or give them a reason to do so. Also, IF they catch you they may not enforce it if your doing nothing wrong and are polite. If they do catch you and you pay a fine look at it as a life insurance payment because it COULD save your life or someone elses. It is our consitiutional right to bare arms and it pisses me off that the masses rollor over and accept this shit. Some people trust our beloved gov. to take care of them but I choose to protect myself and family first and foremost. Again, it's your right to protect yourself and loved ones from danger and NOBODY, NOBODY is going to make me feel wrong or embarrassed for doing just that. I wish I could agree that you don't need to protect yourself but your fooling yourself if you believe that. Ask any victim if they woke up that morning and knew what was going to happen to them. It's a numbers game! Yes, your likely NOT to need it but if you don't have it wellllll..... I'm not going to take that chance. And neither should you. I guess you could call 911 from your cell phone (if you can get a signal way out in the sticks) and wait for the police to arrive in thier rock crawling 4X4 explorer to save the day.

 

[Axel]

Ok, I'll bite. Allthough I'm not a lawyer, it seems to me that this is similar to the 'Free Speech' discussions that come up from time to time. Free speech only give you the right to say what you want, it dos not give you the right to say it where you want. It then follows that if I don't like a post on Discoweb, which is a privately owned and operated by Ho, Kyle and myself, I am not violating your right to free speech if I delete any of your posts on MY website. I am not stopping you from creating your own site and post whatever you want.

Along the same lines, you have a constitutional right to bear arms, but you don't have a right to carry those arms wherever you want. If you came into my house with a gun for example, I would most likely have you arrested for trespassing and attempted armed robbery, if I didn't just shoot you first.

Same thing goes for Paragon. It's private property. They set the rules. If you want to carry your weapons while wheeling, go buy yourself a couple of houndred acres somewhere, and do whatever you want. Your right's are not being infringed upon.

 

[Eric N.]

Well, the fact is that it's their place.. They can make whatever rules they want too.. Hell, they can say "no green trucks on fridays" and it's prefectly Ok because it's their place.. If you don't like it there is no one forcing you to go there.. I don't see a problem with it.. I have never felt the need for a gun or large knife while I have been there.. I think that it's a good rule actually.. Picture some ya hoo with the gun loaded and stored incorrectly shooting himself or someone else by accident.. It's not like help is right there on the side of the trail.. You'd have some driving to do or you'd need a helicopter.

I also agree that a car is a more deadly weapon then a gun will ever be.. More people are killed/injured ever year in the USA by cars then any weapon combined.. Or so the studies that I have seen say.

 

[Eric N.]

Screw em'!! Take your weapon keep it out of site and who will know? You won't get searched unless your doing something wrong or give them a reason to do so. Also, IF they catch you they may not enforce it if your doing nothing wrong and are polite. If they do catch you and you pay a fine look at it as a life insurance payment because it COULD save your life or someone elses. It is our consitiutional right to bare arms and it pisses me off that the masses rollor over and accept this shit. Some people trust our beloved gov. to take care of them but I choose to protect myself and family first and foremost. Again, it's your right to protect yourself and loved ones from danger and NOBODY, NOBODY is going to make me feel wrong or embarrassed for doing just that. I wish I could agree that you don't need to protect yourself but your fooling yourself if you believe that. Ask any victim if they woke up that morning and knew what was going to happen to them. It's a numbers game! Yes, your likely NOT to need it but if you don't have it wellllll..... I'm not going to take that chance. And neither should you. I guess you could call 911 from your cell phone (if you can get a signal way out in the sticks) and wait for the police to arrive in thier rock crawling 4X4 explorer to save the day.

Thats great, but, it's their property.. They have the right to ask you to leave or not allow you on their property for any reason that they feel like... Just like if you walk up to a building that is posted " No Firearms Allowed ".. They have a right to not allow you on their property. I'm a gun owner and I often carry however, I know where I can and can't go and I leave it at home locked up depending on where I'm going.. I believe in carrying but, I also believe in people's right to control their little piece of the world.. So if I come over to your house and you tell me to take my shoes off I would.. It's out of respect for you while I'm in your home.. Same thing goes with leaving my gun at home if you are uncomfortable around them.. Now, if you were out on the street and told me to get rid of my gun I'd tell you to f off.. It's my right to have it.

 

[Discojunky]

Then, I'll play the new age American! If I get hurt on, "YOUR PROPERTY" and you deny me my constitutional right to protect myself I will sew your ass off if anything happens to me or my familiy. Does this make you anti- gunners feel all warm and fuzzy now!?

 

[Eric N.]

Then, I'll play the new age American! If I get hurt on, "YOUR PROPERTY" and you deny me my constitutional right to protect myself I will sew your ass off if anything happens to me or my familiy. Does this make you anti- gunners feel all warm and fuzzy now!?

Ya, well, you might want to read that wavier that they make you sign.. By all means, I'm certainly not an anti-gunner..

 

[rmuller]

I'm a gun owner and a firm supporter of the right to arms.

But, there is a time and place to carry... When you get the airports to allow you to carry your firearm, then I think you'll have an arguement.

 

[Eric N.]

Actually they just passed some new guidelines about that ( well at least here at Dulles ) allowing you to bring/wear your gun.. Not on the plane though or on the other side of the secure area I believe. But, you can walk the airport packin...



edit - well, at least I'm pretty sure that you can... You would want to look that up though since all airports are different..

 

[Discojunky]

I didn't see your reply before I posted Eric. But, I totally disagree with you. If you are a responsible gun owning American you MUST have the right to protect yourself. This is why it's the 2ND amendment, not the 6th, 9th.... It was REAL importantant to the people who wrote the constitution and it should be to you too.

 

[D Chapman]

Then, I'll play the new age American! If I get hurt on, "YOUR PROPERTY" and you deny me my constitutional right to protect myself I will sew your ass off if anything happens to me or my familiy. Does this make you anti- gunners feel all warm and fuzzy now!?

Who is anti-gun? A rule is a rule, and a law is a law, end of story. I tell my POS step-dad he is not allowed at my house, does that mean he should boycot any doings with my extended family? The restruant down the street does not allow smoking, should I quit eating there? The court house does not allow me to carry my knife into the building, should I just not show up for court?

This is a worthless thread....If you don't like the way Paragon does business, don't go there.