raised air intake? What's the point?

[ozscott]

mate I was taking the piss terribly. You are right - LR might have learned from the P38. I certainly hope so for you (and I am actually glad to hear that you have a high mileage D2 with a decent air setup) and others with the Disco 3. Having said that you cannot beat coils in the long term - and a D3 with coils just does not have what it takes off road - they are not selling in OZ with coils very much at all.

The D3 has been having suspension dramas - see that site I referred to above. I keep my vehicles for some time and hence Im reticent about the D3 in that regard.

The DII, particularly with CDL will bash though places without harm that I would shudder to drive an LR3.

Cheers

 

[gil stevens]

Gil,

Do you have any background on the picture? When I go offroading I still lower my vehcile to access height because I usually have my kids with me, therefore if someone took a picture of my LR3 in access height with me parked on some un-level terrain my LR3 would have that look too. I am looking to hear from anybody that can document an LR3 air suspension failure on the trail.

I am not talking about the well known recall of the LR3 air compressor.

atriot:

sure man, i can give you the entire background on that picture, i was in the truck. if you refer to the attached image youll see exactly what the LR3 was doing prior to the "documented air suspension failure." Not sure if you can tell, but it was a pretty steep very loose muddy ascent that the LR3 on the strap was incabaple of conquering. As the pull LR3 crested the hill a loud bang resonated thru the truck and we started dropping.. it felt like we were in a sinking ship. and that was that, on the bumpstops. something came up off the trail and either ripped a line or punctured a bag. Thats were my first hand knowledge stops as i didnt hang out in the woods to wait for the backhoe.. :ack:

atriot:

 

[ozscott]

I cannot believe that a couple of LR3s went snooping around on trails without taking a Disco 1 or 2 or a Defender for company...

 

[JamesWyatt]

...The DII with CDL will bash though places...

Fixed it for you.

The difference with and without CDL is night and day. I watched a stock 04 D2 where the driver forgot to engage the CDL (plus several non-CDL year D2s) crap out on a steep gravel hill climb. It would take them several tries, and they had to get a running start to get through. In the same spot I watched 1st-time noob cappuccino-drinking LR3 owners - one after the other - walk right up it on street slicks.

 

[nwoods]

Isn't that more about the difference in the traction control systems rather than the CDL? I mean, yes I know the LR3's all have electronic locking CDL's, but really, I think the TC has a phenomenal impact, because I can do silly stuff in hi-range (unlocked CDL) solely on TC that has stymied unlocked Defenders.

 

[gordonwh]

I cannot believe that a couple of LR3s went snooping around on trails without taking a Disco 1 or 2 or a Defender for company...

Pu-leeze ..........

Drag your super-duper D2 around to this side of the country and help us poor D3 owners over here, because obviously we can't go off-road without you :ack:

Just because _you_ would shudder to drive a D3 through places you take your D2 doesn't mean anyone else would. I've driven mine through places D2's, Prados and 'Cruisers have pulled out or bogged down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72r8uFPCakM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAipo72mTRY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sxUEjvssXA

And take a sabbatical on the "scary scary air suspension" stories - no one I know has had trouble (that wasn't their own fault) with any of the post 2005 cars or cars that got the enhancement fixes. Between myself and a friend, we've done the Gunbarrel Hwy and the Canning Stock Route - so we're not "shaking in our boots" about taking our D3's out by themselves.

Give me a break .......

 

[ozscott]

...mate I was taking the piss.

 

[ozscott]

hey they arent bad vids at all mate. I didnt see the 80 series having problems though. What were its off road aids if any?

 

[gordonwh]

The 80series didn't make it up the top end of the hill until the 12th or so attempt, but the video probably ends before then. It was a _very_ steep climb.

Baz had the Toyota LSD, 2" lift and brand new BFG 285/75/16 muddies.

Cheers,

Gordon

 

[ozscott]

The factory toyo LSDs were crap. Nissans of the same year had much better LSDs. No wonder the poor bugger was having troubles. You would either need lockers or every inch of ETC to get up there.

Have you got the locking rear? Was that a diesel I could hear? Do you tow with it and how does she go for towing, and mileage etc.

 

[gordonwh]

Yes, the Toyo LSD's are rubbish, and yes, you would need lockers to get up there. The other two vehicles with us (a Rangie Classic and a V8 County) were both double-locked, and they made it as easily as I did (and yes, I have the rear "eLocker").

And that's the whole point isn't it? People are posting on this thread that the D3 is incapable of even keeping up with the older models, and that's complete rubbish. :banghead:

Novice drivers in a D3 (or even seasoned drivers who have not acclimatised to the D3's terrain response systems) may well end up getting stuck. But put a good D3 driver in a D3, and a good D2 driver in a D2 , with similar tyres, and I'll guarantee you the D2 will be struggling to keep up.

I'll concede that the D3 without air suspension is less capable, but there are taller springs available that will help with the ground clearance, although the wheel articulation will still be below that of the aired car.

Cheers,

Gordon

 

[ozscott]

yep no worries mate. I am about to sell my D2 as much as I love it - 4.0 on LPG and manual 5 speed, and sink the dough that I would have spent getting it centre diff locked on front and rear air lockers and lift kit on my 95 3.9 V8 auto DI (on LPG also) - it has fantastic and even comression after 220,000 klms, so I figure it should be my tow car for the boat and my off road mobile for camping trips on the sand (where the old D1 auto with slightly taller tyres than standard is really in its element when centre diff locked (of course)) and getting a smaller car for the daily grind to town - probably a little Golf GTI or R32. I love the DII but a DI with a lift (not out of this world either), lockers and good tyres will go a lot further than my DII with only ETC.

Cheers mate

 

[gil stevens]

Isn't that more about the difference in the traction control systems rather than the CDL? I mean, yes I know the LR3's all have electronic locking CDL's, but really, I think the TC has a phenomenal impact, because I can do silly stuff in hi-range (unlocked CDL) solely on TC that has stymied unlocked Defenders.

TC can also have a phenomenally negative impact. in that same trail ride as i referenced before, an LR3 in MUD mode crabwalked itself clean off the side of a greasy slick uphill. the TC kept interferring disallowing the vehicle to make any forward momentum. the LR3 is quasi-capable, but it must be in the right hands.

 

[JamesWyatt]

TC can also have a phenomenally negative impact. in that same trail ride as i referenced before, an LR3 in MUD mode crabwalked itself clean off the side of a greasy slick uphill. the TC kept interferring disallowing the vehicle to make any forward momentum. the LR3 is quasi-capable, but it must be in the right hands.

Did the driver turn off stability control when going off road as instructed in the manual? You can't have stability control active in those conditions. It's functioning as intended, since if the driver was on a slippery/icy pavement, it would have kept him from losing control by throttling down.

 

[gil stevens]

DSC was off and terrain response was set to mud/ruts

 

[JamesWyatt]

Sounds like better tires would have helped.

 

[gil stevens]

without a doubt they would have. it was terrain that almost required an M/T.. so yes, that was certainly a factor.

 

[PacificGroveRover]

sure man, i can give you the entire background on that picture, i was in the truck. if you refer to the attached image youll see exactly what the LR3 was doing prior to the "documented air suspension failure." Not sure if you can tell, but it was a pretty steep very loose muddy ascent that the LR3 on the strap was incabaple of conquering. As the pull LR3 crested the hill a loud bang resonated thru the truck and we started dropping.. it felt like we were in a sinking ship. and that was that, on the bumpstops. something came up off the trail and either ripped a line or punctured a bag. Thats were my first hand knowledge stops as i didnt hang out in the woods to wait for the backhoe.. :ack:

atriot:

Gil, thanks for the update! I am hoping it was one of the air lines and not an airbag.

Thank you!

 

[gil stevens]

i believe it was an airline, but i cant say so conclusively..

 

[nwoods]

TC can also have a phenomenally negative impact. in that same trail ride as i referenced before, an LR3 in MUD mode crabwalked itself clean off the side of a greasy slick uphill. the TC kept interferring disallowing the vehicle to make any forward momentum. the LR3 is quasi-capable, but it must be in the right hands.

That sounds a lot like the DSC system (Dynamic Stablity Control) and less like Traction Control.

Edit: Okay - Just saw your response to that. Interesting! Well, if it was with the stock Crapyears, that's pretty understandable.