raised air intake? What's the point?

[gil stevens]

well considering your knowledge, i found no reason to find that story untruthful. again.. while you assume to know me, you are incorrect. its not the vehcile i would find prejudice with, its the driver of said vehicle, and until i know him, i cant have a prejudice. but with that said, i would also know that at some point we would either be turning around or leaving the LR3 on the side of the trail so the D1 could continue onto the tougher sections..

truth doth not equal prejudice..

 

[gil stevens]

all LR3 drivers are not morons.. i dont think anybody ever said that. LR3 owners who think they have the best performing product that ever came out of solihull are mo.. well, you get the point

 

[nwoods]

Um...I'm confused. How is it possible to become prejudiced after you meet someone? Isn't it by definition a viewpoint or belief based on lack of knowledge/familiarity of a particular person?

Also, if a person buys an LR3 with the intent to wheel it, does that then void the poseur status? I understand that it may not waive the moron status, but certainly should address the poseur issue, no?

And lastly, yes, it is widely accepted, even by JSQ, that the LR3 is the best off road truck OFF THE SHOWROOM FLOOR that Land Rover has ever built. It is unquestionably limited in it's potential, but unmodified, it far exceeds what previous generations of Land Rover vehicles have been capable of when totally stock.

 

[gil stevens]

Um...I'm confused. How is it possible to become prejudiced after you meet someone? Isn't it by definition a viewpoint or belief based on lack of knowledge/familiarity of a particular person?

Also, if a person buys an LR3 with the intent to wheel it, does that then void the poseur status? I understand that it may not waive the moron status, but certainly should address the poseur issue, no?

And lastly, yes, it is widely accepted, even by JSQ, that the LR3 is the best off road truck OFF THE SHOWROOM FLOOR that Land Rover has ever built. It is unquestionably limited in it's potential, but unmodified, it far exceeds what previous generations of Land Rover vehicles have been capable of when totally stock.

im a bit confused myself mr. woods.. pacificblabla wants to refer to it as "prejudice".. in this context its the wrong term, "bias" would be better, but whatever. your precisely correct in your defintion, thereby meaning that because i am familiar with the LR3, it really isnt a "prejudice." its more like knowledge. and i cant judge a driver unless i know him, or have seen him drive. some of the biggest tools ive met have been some of the best drivers.

i would personally not agree that the LR3 is the best 4x4 LR has produced off the showrrom floor. you may think so, as you own one, but i dont find that statement to be truthful.

 

[gordonwh]

And lastly, yes, it is widely accepted, even by JSQ, that the LR3 is the best off road truck OFF THE SHOWROOM FLOOR that Land Rover has ever built.

I don't think it's quite that clear-cut. There are so many ways to option an LR3 that would affect its 'off the showroom floor' ability.

For instance, a stock V6 S without air suspension and terrain response would not, IMHO, outclass a D90 or D110 or even a classic Rangie. I've seen them in challenging conditions and they're too low-to-the-ground, with not enough torque.

At the other end, a diesel or V8 LR3 with air suspension, terrain-response and rear e-locker would be pretty close to a D90 with traction control. Its tyres would let it down though, so technically, I think the D90 would be better straight off the floor. If you shod the latter LR3 with the same off-road bias tyres, it would certainly be a better all-round off-roader, but then that isn't exactly stock, is it?

Cheers,

Gordon

 

[PacificGroveRover]

im a bit confused myself mr. woods.. pacificblabla wants to refer to it as "prejudice".. in this context its the wrong term, "bias" would be better, but whatever. your precisely correct in your defintion, thereby meaning that because i am familiar with the LR3, it really isnt a "prejudice." its more like knowledge. and i cant judge a driver unless i know him, or have seen him drive. some of the biggest tools ive met have been some of the best drivers.

i would personally not agree that the LR3 is the best 4x4 LR has produced off the showrrom floor. you may think so, as you own one, but i dont find that statement to be truthful.

I want to make clear my opinion is that your judgements might be based on experience may, however, be coloured by LR3 prejudice. From your threads that has to be part of this equation. You might imagine a continuum from "prejudiced" to "based on experience," with many, if not most of your views coming somewhere between the two extremes. I would not put you in the middle of that continum but more toward being prejudiced.

With you, a DI owner has a "headstart" in acceptance, much like men are more apt to pay more attention to a beautiful woman than an ugly woman. Bottom line is that your views could not be taken as being neutral or objective becuase of your ideological and institutional Discoweb.org bias.

Nwoods views are not being taking as neutral or objective about the LR3, but that is what he strives for objectivity. The Discoweb.org institutional bias toward LR3 owners should be posted in BOLD LETTERS...LR3 OWNERS BEWARE!atriot:

 

[PacificGroveRover]

a poseur is someone that habitually claims or appears to be something they are not. a poseur can be just about anyone from D90 to LR3 owners. LR3 owners will get lumped in there more often than none because they purchase their vehicles other than reasons that gain any merit on this site.
the heritage of LR is dead in the new vehicles on this side of the pond. purchasing a vehicle simply for the fact that it is a Land Rover and that you automatically gain some sense brotherhood is also gone. LR3's are catering to a new breed of LR owners that might not fit into the same mold as past generations of vehicles. just seems to be a mentality with a few people here that think they have "arrived" and inheritly have passed through some right of passage by simply purchasing one.

Garrent,

Very well put!atriot:

 

[PacificGroveRover]

I keep seeing people called "poseurs" on this forum. Could someone please define "poseur"? It seems some would call anyone owning an LR3 a poseur. When the DII came out, the DI owners called the DII owners poseurs. So, is this just a term thrown out for anybody who owns the new edition of a land rover vehicle?

Garret provided the literal definition, but your observation is also correct!atriot:

 

[Bender]

PGR, you are really starting to get on my nerves, which isn't easy to do, and rarely do I feel so compelled to type a post like this. Woods is right, he's not a poseur but more importantly I've gotten the impression from his more recent posts that he's dropped his apparent attitude which is what began this long-ass thread. Hell, I think now I might enjoy off-roading with him some time.

You, on the other hand, have given and continue to give every indication that you're an annoying idiot. I had some respect for you in the first few pages because you made logical and calm comments. Then you lost your mind and went off on these Field Marshal tirades about JSQ. Like Gil, I've never met him, but have learned enough from his posts over the years and seen enough of his presence in other websites and media to gain some respect for him (and he does seem to have accepted the role which KVT was famous for, but that's a comment that would be lost on you). More importantly, I at least can figure out wtf he drives! You continue to make off-the-wall comments that you seem to pull out of your ass.

What's really got me pissed off is how you and a few other LR3 owners which are new to the forum have come in with an " I know everything " attitude and are causing non-LR3 owners of this forum to get a bad opinion of all LR3 owners. That pisses me off! You're the guys with the chip on your collective shoulders!! I think the majority of Landie owners from years gone by are beginning to accept the D3/LR3 and realize it really is a damn good vehicle. Sure there are still some holdouts, but there are also guys who think coil springs suck.

For the record, NO, I don't 'wheel my LR3. That remains the domain of my D1. I have done light off-roading in an LR3 at the Biltmore, hence one reason I liked the vehicle and later traded our '04 D2 for one. My wife drives it now, but we purposefully got the HD package so that I can plan on this vehicle as a future fun vehicle. Sort of a built-in "buy it used" plan... Bottomline, I love both vehicles for their different strengths, but the D1 was my first love.

Now please, PGR, enough with all this venomous nonsense. Return to making arguments with some sense to them and your posts will become much more enjoyable and informative.

:bigok:

 

[PacificGroveRover]

PGR, you are really starting to get on my nerves, which isn't easy to do, and rarely do I feel so compelled to type a post like this. Woods is right, he's not a poseur but more importantly I've gotten the impression from his more recent posts that he's dropped his apparent attitude which is what began this long-ass thread. Hell, I think now I might enjoy off-roading with him some time.

You, on the other hand, have given and continue to give every indication that you're an annoying idiot. I had some respect for you in the first few pages because you made logical and calm comments. Then you lost your mind and went off on these Field Marshal tirades about JSQ. Like Gil, I've never met him, but have learned enough from his posts over the years and seen enough of his presence in other websites and media to gain some respect for him (and he does seem to have accepted the role which KVT was famous for, but that's a comment that would be lost on you). More importantly, I at least can figure out wtf he drives! You continue to make off-the-wall comments that you seem to pull out of your ass.

What's really got me pissed off is how you and a few other LR3 owners which are new to the forum have come in with an " I know everything " attitude and are causing non-LR3 owners of this forum to get a bad opinion of all LR3 owners. That pisses me off! You're the guys with the chip on your collective shoulders!! I think the majority of Landie owners from years gone by are beginning to accept the D3/LR3 and realize it really is a damn good vehicle. Sure there are still some holdouts, but there are also guys who think coil springs suck.

For the record, NO, I don't 'wheel my LR3. That remains the domain of my D1. I have done light off-roading in an LR3 at the Biltmore, hence one reason I liked the vehicle and later traded our '04 D2 for one. My wife drives it now, but we purposefully got the HD package so that I can plan on this vehicle as a future fun vehicle. Sort of a built-in "buy it used" plan... Bottomline, I love both vehicles for their different strengths, but the D1 was my first love.

Now please, PGR, enough with all this venomous nonsense. Return to making arguments with some sense to them and your posts will become much more enjoyable and informative.

:bigok:

Bender,

Venomous nonsense, if you think this is venomous nonsense then you must live in a glass house. What do you call JSQ's attack on Nwoods? Nwoods never had an attitude he just was very excited about his rig, but several people did not recognize that.I do not like PREJUDICE/BIAS in any form or fashion, be it on the net or in real life. JSQ's attack on Nwoods was purely insane. Either that is who he is as person or he was just was having a laugh. Me calling JSQ a Field Marshal and going off on him, come on, due you think I am going to just lay down? When it comes to this forum, I am a rookie period and I have never claimed to know "everything" about off-roading, far from it, but I sure am an expert when it comes to BULLSHIT!

Since your tired of this bullshit, to keep this fair, just make sure you write a message to JSQ asking him to tone it down if he goes nuts again!

Bender I will put it in a can, as long as the other side keeps it in the can too! atriot:

 

[PacificGroveRover]

Bender,

Venomous nonsense, if you think this is venomous nonsense then you must live in a glass house. What do you call JSQ's attack on Nwoods? Nwoods never had an attitude he just was very excited about his rig, but several people did not recognize that.I do not like PREJUDICE/BIAS in any form or fashion, be it on the net or in real life. JSQ's attack on Nwoods was purely insane. Either that is who he is as person or he was just was having a laugh. Me calling JSQ a Field Marshal and going off on him, come on, due you think I am going to just lay down? When it comes to this forum, I am a rookie period and I have never claimed to know "everything" about off-roading, far from it, but I sure am an expert when it comes to BULLSHIT!

Since your tired of this bullshit, to keep this fair, just make sure you write a message to JSQ asking him to tone it down if he goes nuts again!

Bender I will put it in a can, as long as the other side keeps it in the can too! atriot:

OK Bender I should have not made the glass house comment. I apologize. I will stop the bullshit!:victory:

 

[Bender]

Bender,

Since your tired of this bullshit, to keep this fair, just make sure you write a message to JSQ asking him to tone it down if he goes nuts again!

Bender I will put it in a can, as long as the other side keeps it in the can too! atriot:

That's a fair request... though I do have D1 bias, so I may not be able to comply.

 

[gordonwh]

Back on topic ...

I bit the bullet and got the Safari snorkel fitted yesterday. Despite my earlier comments on it being ugly, it actually looks okay on the vehicle, and at least it seals properly. Just in time for the winter rains

Cheers,

Gordon

 

[ozscott]

I love this bloody forum. I pop into the Discovery 3 (what they are called in Oz) threads from time to time to laugh my tits off.

I love beam axles. I dont have a problem with them on road and I can throw by DII in particular (my D1 to a lesser extent) around corners at quite fast speeds - takes a bit to get used to it.

But..forget the fact that the DI AND DII off road are just little killers and can crash and bash around without damage and get through where the electronic gizmos of the LR3/D3 are running out of steam and the air suspension is dropping by its own accord (as rover air set ups ALWAYS do with little mileage)...I park my Bonati Gray DII with its 265/70 16s and TJM front bar (ie bit higher and cool front end) next to a DIII every morning and shit the D3 is an ugly bit of kit in comparrison. The DII looks ready for off road, particularly with a front bar (the LR3 just looks silly with a front bar).

So, you are never going to make an LR3 look bad ass (as you fellas in the US call it). Did you really paint your door handles white Woods?

 

[gil stevens]

the electronic gizmos of the LR3/D3 are running out of steam and the air suspension is dropping by its own accord (as rover air set ups ALWAYS do with little mileage)...

ohh.. you mean like this one? :smilelol:

 

[ozscott]

I love it...its a thing of beauty...a low rider in the bush:smilelol:

...and its so........fat!:smilelol:

If you plan on having the machine for anything more than the Warranty period be prepared to blead from the arse for the costs of keeping up with the air suspension. Have a look at the Disco3.UK site and the thread about the air suspension problems...it would put me off for life...although I have been put off air suspensions for life with their failing ride height sensors, failing bags, failing compressors, random and untraceable leaks etc because I have mates with P38 Range Rovers.

Cheers

PS. Even Subaru with its ability to produce cars that rarely break down made a hash of air suspension in the Liberty (your fellas call it Legacy I think) Heritage from a few years back.

 

[PacificGroveRover]

ohh.. you mean like this one? :smilelol:

Gil,

Do you have any background on the picture? When I go offroading I still lower my vehcile to access height because I usually have my kids with me, therefore if someone took a picture of my LR3 in access height with me parked on some un-level terrain my LR3 would have that look too. I am looking to hear from anybody that can document an LR3 air suspension failure on the trail.

I am not talking about the well known recall of the LR3 air compressor.

atriot:

 

[PacificGroveRover]

I love this bloody forum. I pop into the Discovery 3 (what they are called in Oz) threads from time to time to laugh my tits off.

I love beam axles. I dont have a problem with them on road and I can throw by DII in particular (my D1 to a lesser extent) around corners at quite fast speeds - takes a bit to get used to it.

But..forget the fact that the DI AND DII off road are just little killers and can crash and bash around without damage and get through where the electronic gizmos of the LR3/D3 are running out of steam and the air suspension is dropping by its own accord (as rover air set ups ALWAYS do with little mileage)...I park my Bonati Gray DII with its 265/70 16s and TJM front bar (ie bit higher and cool front end) next to a DIII every morning and shit the D3 is an ugly bit of kit in comparrison. The DII looks ready for off road, particularly with a front bar (the LR3 just looks silly with a front bar).

So, you are never going to make an LR3 look bad ass (as you fellas in the US call it). Did you really paint your door handles white Woods?

Wow, I awake everymorning wanting to make my vehicles look "bad ass"! I have a Bonati Gray DII with SLS, and it has 142,000 miles...no air suspension failure yet!atriot:

 

[PacificGroveRover]

I love it...its a thing of beauty...a low rider in the bush:smilelol:

...and its so........fat!:smilelol:

If you plan on having the machine for anything more than the Warranty period be prepared to blead from the arse for the costs of keeping up with the air suspension. Have a look at the Disco3.UK site and the thread about the air suspension problems...it would put me off for life...although I have been put off air suspensions for life with their failing ride height sensors, failing bags, failing compressors, random and untraceable leaks etc because I have mates with P38 Range Rovers.

Cheers

PS. Even Subaru with its ability to produce cars that rarely break down made a hash of air suspension in the Liberty (your fellas call it Legacy I think) Heritage from a few years back.

You know OZ the LR3 is not a P38 Range Rover, just like a 1998 DI is not a 2007 Defender! I wonder if Land Rover learned anything from there P38 Range Rover air suspensions? Hey OZ you you must know that Mr. Einstein was really good with numbers, but did you know he was not a good golfer? Maybe Mr. Subaru should not have taken up the game of golf!atriot:

 

[PacificGroveRover]

Back on topic ...

I bit the bullet and got the Safari snorkel fitted yesterday. Despite my earlier comments on it being ugly, it actually looks okay on the vehicle, and at least it seals properly. Just in time for the winter rains

Cheers,

Gordon

How about a picture?