Rescue me from $$$$$

[ptschram]

There are also "zones" in the world where Uncle Sam forgets you.


Uncle Sam doesn't care about your ass. He cares about his ass. If his ass is going to be bothered by the situation that your ass has been in to, it's your ass.

Otherwise, your tax dollars will get you out. Depending on the level of ass-risking, however, you may or may not have to pay something.

Cheers,

Kennith

While I generally agree with your statements, I think you might be amazed at what Uncle Sam will do to rescue citizens.

A former co-worker of mine's daughter was in one of the 'Stans with the Peace Corps. on September 11. Within hours of the bombing, there was a black helicopter outside the mud hut she was huddling in. A gentleman in a suit ran up, asked for her name and told her "get in the fucking helicopter NOW".

OTOH, if you're a tourist in a place that erupts into a warzone, expect a bill for airfare from the .GOV.

 

[knewsom]

There are places where it's just your ass. If you go, nobody is coming to get you unless they just happen to feel like it. After a mandatory evacuation, there is no guarantee that you will be recovered if you get in a bind. That's what mandatory really means; it's your ass. There are also "zones" in the world where Uncle Sam forgets you.

Get far enough out to sea, and it might just me your ass, depending on the waters you are in, and whether or not anyone is in the area. High profile cases might get more attention, but it could still be their ass if it's too much trouble to save their ass.

Response teams are at the ready and training anyway. Actually doing what they are paid to do is sort of like a cop showing up at your house after you have spotted a prowler; only it's a bit more expensive.

Still, money changes hands at times. If you are airlifted to a hospital, you can find a very hefty bill in your hands when you wake up, depending on who did the lifting.

For the most part, this is what taxes are for. You have earned your recovery by giving money to the government. If you go outside their bounds, however, they aren't coming for you, and it's your ass again.

Generally, this means: Any area that US involvement would cause a problem, places that the risk is simply too high, places where it is impossible to come in after you, conflict zones not of US interest, areas that have been evacuated under mandatory circumstances, adventurous areas where conditions have been given and you have been warned against traversing, any situation where you have done something that you were not officially authorized to do, any situation where a civilian has acted in a paramilitary capacity; and any likewise stupid situation where you damn well knew it was your ass before you jumped in.

Uncle Sam doesn't care about your ass. He cares about his ass. If his ass is going to be bothered by the situation that your ass has been in to, it's your ass.

Otherwise, your tax dollars will get you out. Depending on the level of ass-risking, however, you may or may not have to pay something.

Cheers,

Kennith

Sounds like fuckin' SOCIALISM to me, boy... you onea them queer-faggot California vampires?

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[Blue]

The other night Michael Savage was bitching about the "yuppie mountian climbers" on Mt. Hood that like to climb up but are too pussy to make the trip back down so they hit the beacon. Good stuff.

This 16 year old sailor chick is also good stuff. She owes the Aussies a round of beers and I'm sure that will settle the score.

 

[kennith]

Sounds like fuckin' SOCIALISM to me, boy... you onea them queer-faggot California vampires?

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At least I don't have anything UP my ass, Knewsom. OHHHHHHHHHHH.... BURN!:rofl:

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[kennith]

While I generally agree with your statements, I think you might be amazed at what Uncle Sam will do to rescue citizens.

A former co-worker of mine's daughter was in one of the 'Stans with the Peace Corps. on September 11. Within hours of the bombing, there was a black helicopter outside the mud hut she was huddling in. A gentleman in a suit ran up, asked for her name and told her "get in the fucking helicopter NOW".

OTOH, if you're a tourist in a place that erupts into a warzone, expect a bill for airfare from the .GOV.

Sometimes that happens. It's not a guarantee, however. They try to help when they can, and when it doesn't violate certain principals, like the ones I mentioned above. The Peace Corps isn't exactly out to cause problems. I'm not entirely sure what they are out to do, actually. At the very least, Uncle Sam doesn't entirely disapprove.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[knewsom]

At least I don't have anything UP my ass, Knewsom. OHHHHHHHHHHH.... BURN!:rofl:

Cheers,

Kennith

C'mon Kennith, we both know your ass is fulla shit. :victory:

 

[AU_88]

C'mon Kennith, we both know your ass is fulla shit. :victory:

Better shit than dick...

JK, JK

 

[slowNstdy]

This is indeed a slippery slope. To use a D-Web favorite, here's a reducto ad adbsurdum: What's next, getting a bill for the Fire Department having to visit you, or the police?

A BUDDY of mine had a bad car accident... he died at scene but luckily he was revived. he ended up with 1800 stitches in his face and his girlfriend at the time ended up with 2100 stitches in her face(wear seatbelts). about two weeks after accident he received a bill in the mail from the fire dept for alittle over a grand. the bill stated that it was for the use of their pump truck during the clean up of all the blood on the road. alittle re-damn-dick-u-lous if you ask me.

 

[Nargun]

As an Australian taxpayer?

Fuck the money; it was done because it was the right thing!

Rescuing fair young maidens in distress is the stuff of heroes everywhere.

Rescue her if she is alive or recover her body if she is dead.

Rescue of sailors in the Southern Ocean is a bit of habit for Australian Search and Rescue. After one of the rescues of Tony Bullimore, somebody from the ADF (an Admiral?) made a comment to the effect that;

1. the ships, planes and crews were sitting there (fixed capital costs)
2. the ships, planes and crews would have to undergo training at regular intervals to keep their preparedness up
3. here was a situation that tested the machines and their crews capabilities and preparedness in a real life environment rather than a scripted exercise
4. A person?s life was saved.

Force the adventurers take out insurance; but the cost of the insurance is not going to be anywhere near the cost of a rescue. Where will the insurance company get the money if they have to pay for a rescue? Everybody?s insurance policies will increase just a little bit.

Little difference between this and taxation. It is going to cost everybody more.

Why are you complaining about this anyway; the rescue was undertaken by Australians and the French. We will foot the bill.

We can all sit at home on our fat arses and let our dreams and aspirations be governed by grey little bean counters living their grey little lives in grey little office blocks and whose one little concern in life is whether they should get a plasma or LCD screen to watch the Discovery Channel

 

[kennith]

Plasma. Hands down.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[ptschram]

We can all sit at home on our fat arses and let our dreams and aspirations be governed by grey little bean counters living their grey little lives in grey little office blocks and whose one little concern in life is whether they should get a plasma or LCD screen to watch the Discovery Channel

Bravo!:applause:

 

[AMCM Disco]

We head out for whatever the call is, who ever it comes from. Mostly along the Mid-Atlantic though it's been cruise ships to bring in heart-attack victims, etc... We have diverted a ton though when doing 'floats' to head over for vessels in distress - maritime law/good samaritan do the right thing.

There's not much reporting for the us flying them in, but damn the actual cost would be expensive - about $250K/flight hour for our beast, plus if they wanted to calculate the ship's assests in diverting course, etc...

That's what we're there for though, to give aid and assistance whenever needed and we've never been complaining to do so... Katrina we all were two days from home after 7 months and got the drop of a hat notice to spend the next two months flying around there!

 

[R_Lefebvre]

Not exactly comprehensive coverage, but at only $13 per year, it's a start.

http://www.findmespot.ca/en/index.php?cid=104

 

[2FUELS]

As an Australian taxpayer?

Fuck the money; it was done because it was the right thing!

Rescuing fair young maidens in distress is the stuff of heroes everywhere.

Rescue her if she is alive or recover her body if she is dead.

Rescue of sailors in the Southern Ocean is a bit of habit for Australian Search and Rescue. After one of the rescues of Tony Bullimore, somebody from the ADF (an Admiral?) made a comment to the effect that;

1. the ships, planes and crews were sitting there (fixed capital costs)
2. the ships, planes and crews would have to undergo training at regular intervals to keep their preparedness up
3. here was a situation that tested the machines and their crews capabilities and preparedness in a real life environment rather than a scripted exercise
4. A person?s life was saved.

Force the adventurers take out insurance; but the cost of the insurance is not going to be anywhere near the cost of a rescue. Where will the insurance company get the money if they have to pay for a rescue? Everybody?s insurance policies will increase just a little bit.

Little difference between this and taxation. It is going to cost everybody more.

Why are you complaining about this anyway; the rescue was undertaken by Australians and the French. We will foot the bill.

We can all sit at home on our fat arses and let our dreams and aspirations be governed by grey little bean counters living their grey little lives in grey little office blocks and whose one little concern in life is whether they should get a plasma or LCD screen to watch the Discovery Channel

No complaints, only concerns. I wanted to gauge the responses to the original question. I get concerned when the "plazma watchers" start bitchin about the cost of a rescue and questioning the desire of people to explore their world.

 

[sideview]

I'm kind of mixed about it. What if she continues again as she says? Amelia Earhart's search & rescue costs were ~$62M today. Although her husband paid much of it back after her death (I think), I wouldn't be too happy about that kind of price tag on taxpayers now.

Adventure is nice and all, but it seems like there needs to be some personal responsibility attached - sponsors/special insurance, something. I realize these services are there for such purposes but like any public service they shouldn't be taken for granted or abused for selfish desires - not only for using public money but risking lives to rescue your ass.

 

[Big Papa]

Here's a bright idea. Why doesn't she sell her boat and payback her rescue debt?? Hmmm.

 

[Blue]

I'm kind of mixed about it. What if she continues again as she says? Amelia Earhart's search & rescue costs were ~$62M today. Although her husband paid much of it back after her death (I think), I wouldn't be too happy about that kind of price tag on taxpayers now.

Adventure is nice and all, but it seems like there needs to be some personal responsibility attached - sponsors/special insurance, something. I realize these services are there for such purposes but like any public service they shouldn't be taken for granted or abused for selfish desires - not only for using public money but risking lives to rescue your ass.

They rescued her? I must have missed that part!

 

[WHB]

Here's a bright idea. Why doesn't she sell her boat and payback her rescue debt?? Hmmm.

Because it's floating disabled in the middle of the ocean somewhere 2000 miles from Australia?

 

[Big Papa]

Because it's floating disabled in the middle of the ocean somewhere 2000 miles from Australia?

Sorry, I meant her boat(s), I read she has more than one.

 

[KyleT]

I'm kind of mixed about it. What if she continues again as she says? Amelia Earhart's search & rescue costs were ~$62M today. Although her husband paid much of it back after her death (I think), I wouldn't be too happy about that kind of price tag on taxpayers now.

She didn't die, she landed in northern china and became royalty because the Chinese did not want to make the US mad and thought she was important. this before japan started to bomb china and as the US was placing sanctions on japan at that time. she returned to the US later under a different alias.

I am not making this up. there will be a book out at some point by her grand daughter explaining this.