There's going to be ALOT of smoke in the air for a while here. Not fun to be outside. I'd change plans if I were you.
San Diego fires
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I figured as much.
I found out we are staying at the Half Moon Bay Inn about 3 miles east from the airport if that helps. Is this an area that would still be considered "smoke filled"?
Our problem is trying to convince 20+ people plus a party host to cancel/reschedule this trip. Not everyone is on the same page.
Bottomline is we are trying to guess and see if it would be worth it to come if we ruled out our little wine trip to Temecula.
Thoughts?
I figured as much.
I found out we are staying at the Half Moon Bay Inn about 3 miles east from the airport if that helps. Is this an area that would still be considered "smoke filled"?
Our problem is trying to convince 20+ people plus a party host to cancel/reschedule this trip. Not everyone is on the same page.
Bottomline is we are trying to guess and see if it would be worth it to come if we ruled out our little wine trip to Temecula.
Thoughts?
We are very concerned for all of you on the west coast.
Most of the Florida County Emergency Managers are up here this week in training with the State Emergency Response Team. Even so, all of the big screens in the State Emergency Operations Center have been on and broadcasting the cable news networks all day long. Between speakers, the volume has been turned up so we can hear what is happening.
Our continued thoughts and prayers are with you.
Stay safe.
Most of the Florida County Emergency Managers are up here this week in training with the State Emergency Response Team. Even so, all of the big screens in the State Emergency Operations Center have been on and broadcasting the cable news networks all day long. Between speakers, the volume has been turned up so we can hear what is happening.
Our continued thoughts and prayers are with you.
Stay safe.
Here's best info I've found, map too.
http://kpbs.digitaria.com/
Frankly I'd go someplace else, this map can't even keep up with where the fires are they're burning so fast.
I'd call that hotel first, they may have given all the rooms to evacuees.
Good luck to all, I have family and friends in Fallbrook. The friend can't get to his house because they won't let him in, the family had to boogie north to Temecula, they got about the last hotel room in town. Fire is close enough Temecula could be the next town evacuated.
http://kpbs.digitaria.com/
Frankly I'd go someplace else, this map can't even keep up with where the fires are they're burning so fast.
I'd call that hotel first, they may have given all the rooms to evacuees.
Good luck to all, I have family and friends in Fallbrook. The friend can't get to his house because they won't let him in, the family had to boogie north to Temecula, they got about the last hotel room in town. Fire is close enough Temecula could be the next town evacuated.
Ive only ever been to California once in my life and I have no connections other than Cambo to the state. With that being said, I still hope everything is ok with you and your loved ones. Natural catastrophes like this effect everyone physically, emotionally, and financially. Pete, awesome job standing up and welcoming everybody into your home! You have my respect from here on out.
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JSQ said:
Thats because not everyone is panicing. Dude if things get really bad you dont need to hole up like yourunder attack. You can just drive an hour to irvine where there are no fires and have a beer and dinner. I understand its a devistating thing to loose your home or have your home at risk, but take a deep breath your life is not endagered unless you put yourself in that situation.
My sister is supposed to fly her sales team to a resort about 20 minutes south of LA (iirc) tomorrow for a reward weekend....I would doubt that they are going now!
JSQ said:
Jack, I'm beginning to think that is the way our culture on the whole reacts to catastrophic events. There are always so many people who do not want to believe anything can hurt them and don't want to leave. From all the Katrina stories I've heard from my family....mandatory evacuations mean 0 to so many people that it's really scary. It's almost as if we are all living through the pictures on TV and don't notice when it's outside the front door.
Good luck to you all out there. Stay safe and get out of town!
Tom and I were out and about a bit today and I snapped a few pics.
There is still a ton of smoke and ash.
Basically our area is no longer indicated for suggested evactuation so we felt comfortable feeling out the limits of our range. We knew the 5 freeway was wide open to the north and south so we thought we'd head in the direction of Del Mar and Rancho Santa Fe to see what was open as possible routes.
You start to run into a lot of this and this.
We went past the Del Mar fairgrounds and found the National Guard manning the gate. National Guard troops were visible in other parts of town as well. There presence is significant but if you look closely they don't have magazines in their weapons. It's not armageddon yet, but it's a good deterent. There have been people postering for false evacuations with the intention of looting.
Right now 500,000 people have been evactuated. It's a staggering number. Most people did not go far. I sent my parents to LA, but most just moved along to an adjacent area that was not mandatory. Over an extended period of time those addtional people would draw heavily on now-limited resources. You begin to see how a Katrina type situation could develp very quickly. Again I'm astounding by the unwillingness of people to make preparations or take precautionary action.
In addtion to people there are a lot of animal refugees. My good friend trailered two horses out of Rancho Santa Fe. Rather than taking them to an animal shelter he decided to "pasture" them at the elementary school by my house once he heard school was cancelled for the week. They don't seem to mind.
Since we have not left yet and I had additional time I moved the 110 and the Porsche to the underground garage at my work. The building is surrounded by a large expanse of defensible space. Far better than my house. I want to give the 110 a chance. It would be pretty tough to replace.
There is still a ton of smoke and ash.
Basically our area is no longer indicated for suggested evactuation so we felt comfortable feeling out the limits of our range. We knew the 5 freeway was wide open to the north and south so we thought we'd head in the direction of Del Mar and Rancho Santa Fe to see what was open as possible routes.
You start to run into a lot of this and this.
We went past the Del Mar fairgrounds and found the National Guard manning the gate. National Guard troops were visible in other parts of town as well. There presence is significant but if you look closely they don't have magazines in their weapons. It's not armageddon yet, but it's a good deterent. There have been people postering for false evacuations with the intention of looting.
Right now 500,000 people have been evactuated. It's a staggering number. Most people did not go far. I sent my parents to LA, but most just moved along to an adjacent area that was not mandatory. Over an extended period of time those addtional people would draw heavily on now-limited resources. You begin to see how a Katrina type situation could develp very quickly. Again I'm astounding by the unwillingness of people to make preparations or take precautionary action.
In addtion to people there are a lot of animal refugees. My good friend trailered two horses out of Rancho Santa Fe. Rather than taking them to an animal shelter he decided to "pasture" them at the elementary school by my house once he heard school was cancelled for the week. They don't seem to mind.
Since we have not left yet and I had additional time I moved the 110 and the Porsche to the underground garage at my work. The building is surrounded by a large expanse of defensible space. Far better than my house. I want to give the 110 a chance. It would be pretty tough to replace.
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The Santiago fire is in Irvine you fucking moron.
I'm not panicking in the least. I'm just actually prepared to some extent. At what point do you go out and get supplies? When you're homeless?
kellymoe said:
It's my understanding that you are a Southern California firefighter so I won't try to tell you your business but the fire is burning an awful lot of houses. It's not really whipping by so much a slowly burning everything. Here's a clip. THere is a tremendous amount of fuel all around. I've seen plenty of footage with neighborhoods completely engulfed in flames. I'm guessing if your live in a track home and your neighbors' buildings are infernos on three sides, you aren't going to save your home.
It's incredibly hot and windy. Fire fighters made no gains until today. I'm not really sure how Joe Average Homeowner is going to fare better. The reason evacuation is sensible is the sheer size of the burn and the number of evacuees. To even refer to it as only one or two fires is terribly misleading. It has been flaring up all over the place. It is incredibly widespread and could easily shutdown the 5 and 15 freeway if weather conditions deteriorated. It could get difficult to leave.
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JSQ said:
Jack,
I applaud you for your responsible actions.
Ditto for the actions of your friends.
If only more citizens would be as wise.
Because Disaster Response and Emergency Management is my field of expertise, I could go on forever about the problems that are going to continue to arise from this disaster. Things are going to get MUCH worse before they get better.
Make no mistake, this is a HUGE disaster.
It will go down in history just like Hurricane Katrina.
I can't tell you how many seasoned responders are jaw droppingly awed by the scope of this.
As far as stocking up on groceries and essentials goes, transportation and delivery of goods has already been interrupted. Most people do not understand that grocery stores rely on daily deliveries to restock their shelves. Since it happens so quickly when things are "normal", consumers don't recognize the fact that most grocery stores are emptied out on a daily basis.
JSQ said:
I know what it's like and how many fires are burning. I just spent the last 3 days in Malibu and the Santa Clarita Valley with my engine company. I have seen homes saved in the past where some owners left and some stayed. When the owners chose to stay we tell them to get in the house when the front comes through and after it passes get outside and get to work. These are the homes we cannot stay and protect. I will not force someone to evacuate if they are able bodied. If the home is mid slope with heavy fuel below I will strongly urge them to leave. If they live in a tract of homes that have been recently built they have a great chance to save the house if they stay. This is obviously a decision the home owner will have to make ahead of time and it's a tough one. If I came upon your house and noticed you were able bodied and not a total idiot I would give some simple instructions and move on.
The season is far from over and I can see a repeat of the same type of weather happening by the middle of next week.
California Fire Battalion Chief - Whoever Did This Knew What They Were Doing
Public hanging?
Fire officials are now stating that the Orange County Santiago fire was purposely set and there is speculation that other fires may have also been deliberate. See Interactive Map
Fire officials found three separate “points of origin,” all near the intersection of Silverado Canyon Road and Santiago Canyon Road. Two were on one side of the road, and the third was on the other. “Whoever did this knew what they were doing,” said Kris Concepcion, a fire authority battalion chief. . . . .
Fire officials found three separate “points of origin,” all near the intersection of Silverado Canyon Road and Santiago Canyon Road. Two were on one side of the road, and the third was on the other. “Whoever did this knew what they were doing,” said Kris Concepcion, a fire authority battalion chief. . . . .
Public hanging?
yeah, they've been saying that from the get go. they knew it was arson right away. fucking unbelievable huh?
okay, a little party of six and a dog and a cat just left my house for Santa Ana (they have some relatives there)...
I tried to talk them out of it...
My daughter at USC (a couple of miles South of downtown LA) reported a lot of smoke and ash - probably from fires in San Bernardino Mountains.
I don't know if there are any - this time, unlike 2003, mass media was completely, absolutely, thoroughly useless as far as providing information about fire perimeter and status. Say, I didn't even know about a fire near Irvine... A little party might come back tonight...
I tried to talk them out of it...
My daughter at USC (a couple of miles South of downtown LA) reported a lot of smoke and ash - probably from fires in San Bernardino Mountains.
I don't know if there are any - this time, unlike 2003, mass media was completely, absolutely, thoroughly useless as far as providing information about fire perimeter and status. Say, I didn't even know about a fire near Irvine... A little party might come back tonight...
Well, it's about to get pretty hectic around here. In laws live in the local mountains, other relatives in Poway. Will more than likely have a fifth wheel in my driveway by the end of the week.