so when is enough enough?
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Thank you for clarifying, some of us can get touchy when possibly being dissed.knewsom said:
Protest all you want though, polititians will not be kept honest.
bovw said:
atriot: Gotta try somehow.RE: Nancy Pelosi, that bitch is one of the biggest hawks in Congress, Dem or not. She and I disagree on a great many things.
GYM said:
And the alternative you're suggesting is what? ...just failing? Because that sounds like a fucking BRILLIANT idea.
And for the record, I'm not some doe-eyed 15 year old kid auditing a political-science class at a JC. I have two bachelor's degrees, know a great many people in politics, and will never ever work in them because I'm jaded and cynical enough. SOME small hope has been kindled in me by the last major election, but let me remind you I was prepared to leave the country if Bush decided to declare martial law to prevent a shift in power. Yes, I really did see that as possibly happening, so if you think I just trust all our politicians to do the right thing and have so much faith and crap, you really don't know a thing about me.
...do I trust Democrats more? Generally yes. ...but it has more to do with the individual than it does the party.
Wow Knewsome! I knew you were an idiot, but I had no idea you were a total idiot!
Enlighten me please, what was "immoral" about the 1st Gulf War? The part where Iraq invaded Kuwait, or the part where we kicked them out?
Enlighten me please, what was "immoral" about the 1st Gulf War? The part where Iraq invaded Kuwait, or the part where we kicked them out?
Which wars are immoral? Most. The Gulf-War? Killed waaaay too many civilians, way too many Iraqi soldiers, and never gave diplomacy enough of a chance to work. You don't make friends by bombing the shit outta people.
What'd I study? Anthropology and Film.
And what "Democratic kool-aid" do you mean? No major democrats were talking publicly about Bush doing something heavy-handed like that. Mostly the martial-law fears were coming from batshit crazy libertarians and stuff, not dems. Did I think it was likely? No. Did I think it was possible? ...with the election rigging in the previous two presidential elections, yes, I believe I had reason to worry.
What'd I study? Anthropology and Film.
And what "Democratic kool-aid" do you mean? No major democrats were talking publicly about Bush doing something heavy-handed like that. Mostly the martial-law fears were coming from batshit crazy libertarians and stuff, not dems. Did I think it was likely? No. Did I think it was possible? ...with the election rigging in the previous two presidential elections, yes, I believe I had reason to worry.
brian4d said:
Oh don't get me wrong I'm no fan of Clinton. I was merely trolling for a reaction from knewsom the ideologue. Starting with my first CINC Carter and finally retiring in '07 under "W" I've seen and experienced the political retardation on a grand scale.
As for Clinton let me just remind you all of one blunder that doesn't get enough attention. Anyone remember Somalia? I sure as hell do. Nothing like getting shot at whilst bringing in humanitarian aid and flying out for more. Blackhawk down could have easily been prevented but nooooo Clinton and Les Aspin had to make all the battlefield decisions. There were AC130 gunships at the ready but Aspin wouldn't okay them in. They would have put an end to that shit immediately. Now to rub it in our faces the admin ordered our own troops to go in and escort Muhammad Adid to Mogadishu airport post the incident where we were trying to get him, and put his ass on a US Air Force fucking jet and fly him like some dignitary for a meeting! WTF?!? I never got over that one. Any wonder why Les Aspin resigned shortly after and then died.
I've got hundreds my friends, hundreds. I will tell you this though coming from a career military person. Under Bush "W" commanders on the field had much more leeway in carrying out their missions. This is a good thing.
Rant off
"...with the election rigging in the previous two presidential elections, yes, I believe I had reason to worry."
You mean all the BS with Acorn in the last one?
You mean all the BS with Acorn in the last one?
knewsom said:
Yea it's changing alright, changing for the worst. Our founding fathers would are rolling in their graves right now. The bullshit that's getting spewed on Capitol Hill is NOT what they had in mind. Yea, I know what your thinking, "That was 200 years ago." Doesn't matter, the principals, values and beliefs this country was built on still ring true, Let liberty fucking ring. Rant = OFF Almost forgot, Fuck the ACLU.
jhmover said:
Don't make me laugh. Acorn had a couple idiots working for them that made up voter registrations so they could get paid easier. It had ZERO effect on the election. Acorn doesn't hold a CANDLE to what happened in Florida and Ohio in 00 and 04. Paper ballots THROWN OUT and found in the ocean, DEAD REPUBLICANS VOTING, electronic voting machines hacked... come on.
brian4d said:
The US was never intended to be more than 13 states, slavery was never intended to be abolished, "citizens" were originally supposed to only be white men. There's a lot of shit they're rolling over in their graves for, and probably more that they're burning in hell for. Slavery and segregation are fucking WRONG, whatever time you live in.
Civil Liberties rock. The ACLU wants to keep them around. Fine by me.
Healthcare reform is a GOOD IDEA, and NEEDS to be done. Green, renewable energy is a GOOD IDEA and NEEDS to be done. Recovering our economy is a GOOD IDEA and needs to be done. Cutting taxes for people who make under 200k a year is a GOOD IDEA and needs to be done. Economies aren't top-down, they're bottom-up. What's so counter-revolutionary about that?
Blue said:
I'll x2 that. ...and bearing that in mind, I really, REALLY need to make one for myself.
If you took some engineering or physics classes you'd know that there is no such a thing as renewable energy.knewsom said: