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GreyGoose_01 Disco said:
They may be open to a re-vote but let's not make it an us vs. them thing. Everyone seems to be getting along quite well and we should try and keep it that way.
Texas Rovers SCARR 2009 - April 16-19
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They may be open to a re-vote but let's not make it an us vs. them thing. Everyone seems to be getting along quite well and we should try and keep it that way.
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BrettinSanAntonio
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I've got to admit I feel a little guilty about leaving ChrisVonC on the trail to fix his truck while I fetched more beer. I thought he had enough help with out me and fetching beer seemed a worthwhile quest.
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BrettinSanAntonio
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I'm out of the loop on this one. I didn't notice any dog problems at SCARR 1-3 that I attended.
I will say the Toyota people banned dogs too at their events.
I will say the Toyota people banned dogs too at their events.
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Yeah Sean I get it, and read the posts I sympathize, but can do nothing to change the rule. Be upset about your dog, bitch about it on d-web, doesn't change it. Like I said before got to TX rovers website, email Christopher.sean said:
I agree on some of the kids as well, but let's not go down the women road ok.
Edit: PS Sean - William and I have spoken privately on this matter - so thanks for pointing out what I already knew.
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I have sent the e-mail now, i wonder if it will even get looked at? And this is what I Said
Chris, Scott, Laura, Kevin
I was Never informed about this issue in now way shape or form not even an e-mail. I am student full time and work full time as well. I thought Texas rovers was "The Club is made up of singles, couples, and families who come together to enjoy the great Texas outdoors and to share their enjoyment of Land Rovers." To me
Families includes the family dog, as our dogs are, are best friends. I think that this rule of the no dogs allowed at SCARR can be reworked, and re voted on, as I found out only a few members voted on this issue. What is your response to this the under lined portion.
I think that the rule should be changed to dogs on leashes and dogs stay in cars when the masses of people are eating at the big pavilion. If you ban dogs than you should ban the kids as well, as kids tend to get in the way as well. Some of the kids like having their dogs with them at SCARR. Be sides that when you made the choice to ban dogs
did you take into fact just how many people that would keep from returning to SCARR? I attended last year and the dogs that I saw were just fine when I met them. As For this year My mom expressed some interest in going to SCARR this year we had it all planed out, we were going to load up in the suburban and pull the disco on a trailer, that is until I found out about the no dog rule.
So I urge you all Please re visit this horrible decision about not allowing dogs at SCARR as we all know they are man's best friend and some families like my own consider my dogs as part of the family.
ARTICLE IV - MEMBERSHIP & DUES
1. Any individual who subscribes to the purposes and basic policies of the CLUB may become a member of the CLUB subject to compliance with provisions of these By-laws. Membership in the CLUB shall be available to any Land Rover owner interested, without regard to race, color, creed, sex or national origin. Membership in the CLUB shall entitle each member to participate fully in all CLUB functions and activities. Persons residing in the same residence shall be entitled to a family membership and are also eligible to participate fully in all CLUB functions and activities. Each family membership shall be entitled to one vote. Members shall designate their regional Chapter affiliation at the time of their application.
ARTICLE III - BASIC POLICIES
1. The CLUB shall cooperate with other organizations to support the preservation and improvement of designated off-road vehicle areas.
2. The CLUB shall cooperate with other organizations and agencies concerned with designated off-road vehicle areas but before any commitment made by any person shall be binding upon the CLUB, such a commitment must be approved by a majority of the Club’s members.
Chris, Scott, Laura, Kevin
I was Never informed about this issue in now way shape or form not even an e-mail. I am student full time and work full time as well. I thought Texas rovers was "The Club is made up of singles, couples, and families who come together to enjoy the great Texas outdoors and to share their enjoyment of Land Rovers." To me
Families includes the family dog, as our dogs are, are best friends. I think that this rule of the no dogs allowed at SCARR can be reworked, and re voted on, as I found out only a few members voted on this issue. What is your response to this the under lined portion.
I think that the rule should be changed to dogs on leashes and dogs stay in cars when the masses of people are eating at the big pavilion. If you ban dogs than you should ban the kids as well, as kids tend to get in the way as well. Some of the kids like having their dogs with them at SCARR. Be sides that when you made the choice to ban dogs
did you take into fact just how many people that would keep from returning to SCARR? I attended last year and the dogs that I saw were just fine when I met them. As For this year My mom expressed some interest in going to SCARR this year we had it all planed out, we were going to load up in the suburban and pull the disco on a trailer, that is until I found out about the no dog rule.
So I urge you all Please re visit this horrible decision about not allowing dogs at SCARR as we all know they are man's best friend and some families like my own consider my dogs as part of the family.
ARTICLE IV - MEMBERSHIP & DUES
1. Any individual who subscribes to the purposes and basic policies of the CLUB may become a member of the CLUB subject to compliance with provisions of these By-laws. Membership in the CLUB shall be available to any Land Rover owner interested, without regard to race, color, creed, sex or national origin. Membership in the CLUB shall entitle each member to participate fully in all CLUB functions and activities. Persons residing in the same residence shall be entitled to a family membership and are also eligible to participate fully in all CLUB functions and activities. Each family membership shall be entitled to one vote. Members shall designate their regional Chapter affiliation at the time of their application.
ARTICLE III - BASIC POLICIES
1. The CLUB shall cooperate with other organizations to support the preservation and improvement of designated off-road vehicle areas.
2. The CLUB shall cooperate with other organizations and agencies concerned with designated off-road vehicle areas but before any commitment made by any person shall be binding upon the CLUB, such a commitment must be approved by a majority of the Club’s members.
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Pedantic rules.
This reminds we of why we formed STR in the first place.
More regulations, bylaws and officers == less fun.
I'm all for good relations and friendship between the clubs, but this kind of thing makes me really want to shy away from Texas Rovers events. These kinds of rules are so typical for this club.
In the interest of harmony, I hope they reconsider and take a more moderate approach.
This reminds we of why we formed STR in the first place.
More regulations, bylaws and officers == less fun.
I'm all for good relations and friendship between the clubs, but this kind of thing makes me really want to shy away from Texas Rovers events. These kinds of rules are so typical for this club.
In the interest of harmony, I hope they reconsider and take a more moderate approach.
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No joke, not exactly a kid friendly event in my opinion. Not to mention it doesn't help having them run around on dirt bikes when everyone has large SUV's on the same trails.
Also not to mention loosing control of their bike and hurting themselves then having stuck up parents giving the cold shoulder, and acting like it was the federal police officers fault, who was trying to help the kid.
You see william.. thats all you had to post on the TR site.. not fucking raise bullshit hell all over the place.GreyGoose_01 Disco said:
- Why didnt you say this on the 15th when you found out about it?
- Why didnt you say anything to me this past weekend when we were wheeling together? You know full well I am an officer and you know I listen to you since we were emailing back and forth while I worked with you for a week on you account over there.
- Why did you wait suspicious and conveniently until the day after last nights monthly meeting to raise hell all over the place??
William seriously give the STR/TR battle you seem to keep trying to keep a flame going for, a fucking rest for christ sakes. Were you not just this past weekend wheeling with us happy as a peach and I thought we all were having a great time. If there was still some beef TR has with STR, do you really think I would have been allowed to post the STR beach run event from Chris Snell not only in our Events section but also in our calendar?? Go to the TR website.. what do you see on every single fucking page?? The upcoming STR event. Why anytime something challenges you relating to TR, you immdiatly throw STR under the bus. It beyond getting old. Seriously, its time you take the girl panties off and put the big boy shorts on and give it a rest.GreyGoose_01 Disco said:
As for the email... If you were a paid member in Oct (which you were and still are), then the mass email was sent to the address you gave us, which is the same one you use for the site account. If you didnt see it, or it really never did get to you or got sent to your spam folder, then boo fucking hoo for you.. For god sakes show a little back bone. You missed the email for what ever reason doesn't change the fact that emails were sent to ALL paid members, including you regardless how much you stamp your feet in a hissy fit trying to convince everyone you were specifically excluded. You weren't. Period.
It doesnt matter how happy they made some people the fact is, complaints were sent in about the dogs at SCARR08. There was enough of them from other paid members of the club that leadership felt this would need to be a choice best put to the paid members at a meeting and it was voted on. Dont like it... you should have spoken up when you found out about it on the 15th so it could have given more time to act on it, not wait until the day after the monthly meeting so now we have to wait another moth for the meeting right before SCARR.
Really?? Please tell me exactly how this rule is typical of this club Chris. As far as I know, there has never been any kind of ruling like this before in TR. SCARR keep growing so dealing with new concerns and issues like this have never been dealt with before, so please cite examples.. what past rules that TR has or had, that your statement based on? Other clubs protect themselves with the exact same rules, guidelines, legal wording and phrasing that our lawyers advised TR to adapt so its not like the evil Texas Rovers are blazing a dark Nazi regime cloud over TX, squashing fun and happiness.chris snell said:
In fact just last night Tony and I were talking to the officers of the Toyota club having their meeting at the same time, about what their input was on dog policies. What do you know.... turns out they have had the policy "no dogs" at events for quite a number of years, including their huge yearly event coming up next month. Seems that Toyota owners love their dogs too, but just like some Rover owners, some aren't responsible either and ruined it for the whole.
If you really want a good relationship between the clubs, how about you guys give it a whirl and stop bashing us every chance you get.
Chris The e-mail was not directed to you at all it was to Chris Pullen.
Chris As for The reason I did not bring this up this past weekend is that I did not want to spoil a fun day that we all had. And It wasn't the place to. I didn't mean to stir up trouble between the two clubs, I just wanted fairness between all members. I wasn't the only one that did not receive the correspondence.
Chris As for The reason I did not bring this up this past weekend is that I did not want to spoil a fun day that we all had. And It wasn't the place to. I didn't mean to stir up trouble between the two clubs, I just wanted fairness between all members. I wasn't the only one that did not receive the correspondence.
brianhoberg said:
It's obvious it's majority rules and the majority was against the dogs. A vote was taken from the Dallas, Fort Worth Chapter, and the Austin, San Antonio Chapter.
Maybe you should attend some meetings and let them know what you think, not on the web.
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I don't think it's the club officers or event producers that should be catching shit for the "no dogs" ruling.
The people who should be catching shit is the dog owners who allowed their dog(s) to rummage through the trash bags in camp during the night; The owners of the dogs that would sit and watch you eat just waiting for a crumb to fall, both in the camp area and at the pavilion; and the owner of the dogs that wonder aimlessly in and out of the roads when ever a vehicle passes by.
There are good dogs, and there are bad dogs. There are nice dogs, and there are mean dogs. There are clean dogs, and there are dirty dogs. There are lazy dogs, and there are hyper dogs. There are big dogs, and there are little dogs. Bottom line is, some dogs do not belong at an event where 150 people and 100 trucks converge into a close nit area. Some dogs may be just fine, but others should not be at event such as SCARR.
As for a "leash law".....yeah, that sounds wonderful. It would probably fix some problems others complained about, too. Thing is, people do not follow leash laws. Look at MAR. MAR has a "leash law", yet no one puts their dog on a leash. Dog owners do not see their dog(s) as a problem. It's never the dogs fought when something happens - it's always someone or something else.
The easy fix? No dogs.
The only other fix would be to have a no dogs rule in camp "Maybe" and at the pavilion during eating times, and no dogs on the trail unless they're on a leash. Period.
But people will whine and bitch about that, too. So, "no dogs" it a little bit clearer of a ruling.
The people who should be catching shit is the dog owners who allowed their dog(s) to rummage through the trash bags in camp during the night; The owners of the dogs that would sit and watch you eat just waiting for a crumb to fall, both in the camp area and at the pavilion; and the owner of the dogs that wonder aimlessly in and out of the roads when ever a vehicle passes by.
There are good dogs, and there are bad dogs. There are nice dogs, and there are mean dogs. There are clean dogs, and there are dirty dogs. There are lazy dogs, and there are hyper dogs. There are big dogs, and there are little dogs. Bottom line is, some dogs do not belong at an event where 150 people and 100 trucks converge into a close nit area. Some dogs may be just fine, but others should not be at event such as SCARR.
As for a "leash law".....yeah, that sounds wonderful. It would probably fix some problems others complained about, too. Thing is, people do not follow leash laws. Look at MAR. MAR has a "leash law", yet no one puts their dog on a leash. Dog owners do not see their dog(s) as a problem. It's never the dogs fought when something happens - it's always someone or something else.
The easy fix? No dogs.
The only other fix would be to have a no dogs rule in camp "Maybe" and at the pavilion during eating times, and no dogs on the trail unless they're on a leash. Period.
But people will whine and bitch about that, too. So, "no dogs" it a little bit clearer of a ruling.
I don't mind calling a vote at the next meeting if that's what folks want. If you want to proxy vote, let your chapter V.P. know ahead of time. In your case, William, that's me. I wouldn't expect a vote or two will change much. As was pointed out earlier, it was a unanimous vote in Austin and a very large majority in DFW.
That said, I have a dog. I'm sure he'd love to go wheeling. He is part of my family. Sleeps in my kid's bed. I've never had the need to bring him on the trail. There's way too much stuff going on for me to have one more thing to watch over. As I pointed out in an earlier post, a dog on the trail caused me to have to lift off the gas once, causing me to slide back down a hill and smash the back-end of my 90. Even my son was left at home mostly until last year when I knew he was old enough to not need watching every minute of the day.
As was also pointed out, the Toyota clubs also have this same rule for their events. I'm not blaming any one dog/person for the rule but I'm hearing a lot more support for the rule than the grumbling from a few vocal people.
That said, I have a dog. I'm sure he'd love to go wheeling. He is part of my family. Sleeps in my kid's bed. I've never had the need to bring him on the trail. There's way too much stuff going on for me to have one more thing to watch over. As I pointed out in an earlier post, a dog on the trail caused me to have to lift off the gas once, causing me to slide back down a hill and smash the back-end of my 90. Even my son was left at home mostly until last year when I knew he was old enough to not need watching every minute of the day.
As was also pointed out, the Toyota clubs also have this same rule for their events. I'm not blaming any one dog/person for the rule but I'm hearing a lot more support for the rule than the grumbling from a few vocal people.
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