The gorilla

[emmodg]

Faith has little room for reason. The inevitable "leap" one takes can only be accomplished through a disregard for reason. They are exclusive - one is based in science, empirical thought, study, and objectivism.; the other is based in belief, mythology, and "trust". Faith crosses it's fingers, reason prepares.

And don't think you're alone in juggling reason and faith. There are plenty of scientists and philosophers in your boat.

How did we get from gorillas to heady talk in the likes of Spinoza?

 

[fishEH]

Crossing one's fingers merely proves lack of faith.

Faith has little room for reason. The inevitable "leap" one takes can only be accomplished through a disregard for reason. They are exclusive - one is based in science, empirical thought, study, and objectivism.; the other is based in belief, mythology, and "trust". Faith crosses it's fingers, reason prepares.

And don't think you're alone in juggling reason and faith. There are plenty of scientists and philosophers in your boat.

How did we get from gorillas to heady talk in the likes of Spinoza?

 

[ERover82]

How did we get from gorillas to heady talk in the likes of Spinoza?

When someone moved the debate from a rare situation involving one kid vs one gorilla, to a ridiculous hypothetical debate of a kid vs an entire species, it went full retard.

 

[pinkytoe69]

Crossing one's fingers merely proves lack of faith.

That's true, but it doesn't change the other assertion.

"Faith" itself is a figurative act of finger crossing because it's entire premise is essentially "a belief without reason".

 

[Devildog01]

You guys are soooooo going to hell.

 

[kennith]

Faith has little room for reason. The inevitable "leap" one takes can only be accomplished through a disregard for reason. They are exclusive - one is based in science, empirical thought, study, and objectivism.; the other is based in belief, mythology, and "trust". Faith crosses it's fingers, reason prepares.

And don't think you're alone in juggling reason and faith. There are plenty of scientists and philosophers in your boat.

How did we get from gorillas to heady talk in the likes of Spinoza?

You misunderstand my suggestion.

Without faith in reason, science itself falls apart. Everything we understand has foundation in that one acceptance.

That being said, as a causal determinist who favors the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, I tend to question reason itself.

I had an absolute blast watching Lost. It's a fucking playground for the subject matter; especially if you toss the metaphysical into the mix. :rofl:

Damn that show was good. I think I was one of the last people here to watch it, though.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[emmodg]

You misunderstand - reason is the antithesis of faith. To say one has "faith in reason" borders on nonsense at worse and solipsism at best. I don't have "faith" the earth revolves around the sun. I/we know this to be true. We know this through reason. (Galileo paid the ultimate price by the church for his "lack" of faith, ie heliocentrism.) Faith is hope devoid of reason. We don't have "faith" that 2+2=4. We know this through reason. Quantum mechanics? Start with epistemology and go form there.

Christopher Hitchens would roll over in his grave if he read your comment!

 

[pinkytoe69]

. We don't have "faith" that 2+2=4. We know this through reason. Quantum mechanics?

This falls under "cool story bro..." but that reminded me of taking advanced calculus in college.

Day 1 homework: prove "0" exists, prove "1" exists, and something along the lines of prove "1+1" is valid

 

[kennith]

You misunderstand - reason is the antithesis of faith. To say one has "faith in reason" borders on nonsense at worse and solipsism at best. I don't have "faith" the earth revolves around the sun. I/we know this to be true. We know this through reason. (Galileo paid the ultimate price by the church for his "lack" of faith, ie heliocentrism.) Faith is hope devoid of reason. We don't have "faith" that 2+2=4. We know this through reason. Quantum mechanics? Start with epistemology and go form there.

Christopher Hitchens would roll over in his grave if he read your comment!

I must be communicating this improperly somehow, as you're not following my point.

Reason itself must be accepted.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[fishEH]

You misunderstand - reason is the antithesis of faith. To say one has "faith in reason" borders on nonsense at worse and solipsism at best. I don't have "faith" the earth revolves around the sun. I/we know this to be true. We know this through reason. (Galileo paid the ultimate price by the church for his "lack" of faith, ie heliocentrism.) Faith is hope devoid of reason. We don't have "faith" that 2+2=4. We know this through reason. Quantum mechanics? Start with epistemology and go form there.

Christopher Hitchens would roll over in his grave if he read your comment!

 

[rovercanus]

You guys are soooooo going to hell.

There is no Hell.

 

[emmodg]

I must be communicating this improperly somehow, as you're not following my point.

Reason itself must be accepted.

Cheers,

Kennith

Correct. I think we were BOTH missing each other's point. I never posited that reason was a predicated on anything let alone faith.

 

[Devildog01]

There is no Hell.

You've never been married to my ex-wife.

 

[Devildog01]

You misunderstand - reason is the antithesis of faith. To say one has "faith in reason" borders on nonsense at worse and solipsism at best. I don't have "faith" the earth revolves around the sun. I/we know this to be true. We know this through reason. (Galileo paid the ultimate price by the church for his "lack" of faith, ie heliocentrism.) Faith is hope devoid of reason. We don't have "faith" that 2+2=4. We know this through reason. Quantum mechanics? Start with epistemology and go form there.

Christopher Hitchens would roll over in his grave if he read your comment!

So is quantum physics faith, or just an unproven theory?

 

[kennith]

Correct. I think we were BOTH missing each other's point. I never posited that reason was a predicated on anything let alone faith.

Reason must be unconditionally accepted if it is to be used as a measure for understanding.

Faith is unconditional acceptance.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[Devildog01]

Reason must be unconditionally accepted if it is to be used as a measure for understanding.

Faith is unconditional acceptance.

Cheers,

Kennith

I'll translate.
Reason = truth
Faith = bullshit

Here endith the lesson.

 

[number9]

"Faith" itself is a figurative act of finger crossing because it's entire premise is essentially "a belief without reason".

Faith then is purchasing a LR?
......

 

[rovercanus]

You've never been married to my ex-wife.

I've got two ex's of my own.

 

[brian4d]

I always get a chuckle out of people that think humans can control mother nature.

 

[emmodg]

I'll translate.
Reason = truth
Faith = bullshit

Here endith the lesson.

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