The Rover Gear and a Beer MARR video

roverover

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Me either. Please explain.

We have heard forever the stories of the necessity of keeping the springs retained and you have to use a longer spring so it stays attached but nobody has any reason why...other than the possible damage done by topping out the shock
 

Durt D1ver

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I dunno, how many times at Rausch did you have to reseat your springs, because they popped outside of the cones? Maybe the cones were just to short for the shock travel you had then.
 
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You're not going to flip when your rear tires only climb 10". You're still planted and stable. Drive an off-camber section of trail and you'll see how the unretained trucks unload and flop. I have pics of this, but the pictures do the trail no justice at all and everyone would just laugh at me. However, it was a D-90 (which is at my house right now), crossed a log on an off-camber section of trail and about lost it. I was talking on the HAM at the time and cussed all over the place with anticipation. However, the retained trucks had no issues.

Also, you say that a truck retained, in the video, would have lost traction "10"" before yours did. That's 100% not the case. With every action there is a reaction. Just because your truck dislocated its spring does not mean a retained truck would have lost traction at that very point. It is possible that a retained truck could have kept going because the force on the opposite wheel would have pushed the climbing wheel down. This works better with longer-than-stock bump stops, but whatever... Your spring unloaded because it was free and able to do so. That does not mean a retained truck would have pulled the wheel into the air (Einstein quote).

Softer springs will climb a fag-boy RTI ramp better than heavy springs. No shit, Sherlock. Give me some Big Blues, big boy, and I'll show you how to go to the motherfucking moon. But two trucks, side-by-side, on the same set-up, one will do better than the other on the trail. I'm not talking about the RTI ramp...I'm talking about the trail, where it counts.

Here is the deal!

You lower your truck to 2" of lift. With cones.

You send me a 2" lift after Steve Young returns it because he claims "sagging springs".

We run the same set-up, but I'll be retained with Expedition Exchange retainers.

Then we do the Pepsi Challenge at SCARR. The first one to drink 6-beers go's first. The first one to get stuck where the other made it, or the first to flop where the other did not, looses. I get naked pics of your wife, too (not the ones I already have).
 
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roverover said:
And the point is it is driver error not set up


I can roll a Terra-Firmma D2 or a Corvette. That's easy. But there is a solution that does better off-road in all aspects, and it's not a truck with cones, buggy springs, or revolver shackles.
 
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nosivad_bor

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actually if you watch the video Justin never compares cones with retained, just cones vs unretained.

I would agree that cones are better than unretained.
 

Drillbit

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I think I'm pissed because you get to do this for a living.
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Justin doesn't make a living. His wife supports him while he plays with rovers, kind of a kept man thing.
 
Dan
As I have said in the past it is about shock quality and length, more then cone VS no cone. Did you see when the truck landed how little is rocked. The shocks did their job. If I had a set of pro comps it would have been different and your off camber statement would hold true because the shocks could not control the body from rocking. By tying the spring to the top all your doing is helping the shock do its job and make a 12in travel shock into a 10in travel shock. Just buy the 10s.
I was at SCARR with you and dont remember my truck on its side at anytime.