the slippery slope gets even steeper.

[MUSKYMAN]

I am always taken aback by the "black helicopters" comments on this board.

as if it is the liberals laughing at the paranoia of people worried about their civil liberties.

truth be told we are at a BIG fork in the road.

What direction do you want our country to go?

I say...not this direction!!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/technology/chi-ap-wi-gps-police,0,5867383.story

 

[az_max]

But the Police Union gets their panties in a bunch if you want to use GPS tracking to track the patrol cars.....

 

[knewsom]

This may yet fall at a national level, and I suspect it will. Giving Police more power is NOT the answer. Thankfully, the international community seems to be very pro-right to privacy, and our current administration is receptive to the input of the international community. Look at the recent decision in Britain to abandon a huge portion of their DNA database - the used to keep indefinitely the DNA of EVERYONE who was arrested, innocent or guilty, and recently switched to only keeping that data for a couple years.

I'd say this technology is GREAT, when, and ONLY when used in combination with a WARRANT.

 

[landrovered]

I am a liberal person and I find this to be too far, way too far.

 

[DiscoJen]

But c'mon Thom, it's all in the public's best interest!

 

[jhmover]

They had a large conversation on a local talk show about this yesterday while I was driving around. The cops love it. I didn't hear much of anyone else who did. But some of what was brought up in addition is the car dealers who put these on cars they finance to make it easier to find the car for a repo, that any car with OnStar is already trackable, as is any current cell phone. Some argued that you could turn off the OnStar and the GPS, which was countered by, you don't know, that OnStar of any of the cell phone companies could install software on there so they could turn it on regardless if you had it off anyway, without you even knowing it. One dude was totally paranoid about them putting a GPS in firearms so they could track them. Other's mentioned you can already buy this stuff so you can spy on your spouse, kids, friends. I can put them on my trucks and spy on my employees. Many trucking companies already know where their drivers are 24 x 7 anyway via GPS.

 

[MUSKYMAN]

I am a liberal person and I find this to be too far, way too far.

I am glad that even you have a line Scott.

this is just crazy IMHO...I guess I will be climbing under my truck more often since I am in wisconsin all the time and I am a known subversive

 

[rover4x4]

I think anyone that has a nav unit in thier vehicle is being tracked. If they want to track us they can.

 

[jhmover]

All the paranoia on that radio station is from SF area and this is a liberal station, too. I guess some of the liberal whack jobs even get it that this is going too far.

 

[MUSKYMAN]

They had a large conversation on a local talk show about this yesterday while I was driving around. The cops love it. I didn't hear much of anyone else who did. But some of what was brought up in addition is the car dealers who put these on cars they finance to make it easier to find the car for a repo, that any car with OnStar is already trackable, as is any current cell phone. Some argued that you could turn off the OnStar and the GPS, which was countered by, you don't know, that OnStar of any of the cell phone companies could install software on there so they could turn it on regardless if you had it off anyway, without you even knowing it. One dude was totally paranoid about them putting a GPS in firearms so they could track them. Other's mentioned you can already buy this stuff so you can spy on your spouse, kids, friends. I can put them on my trucks and spy on my employees. Many trucking companies already know where their drivers are 24 x 7 anyway via GPS.

there is a world of difference between a company tracking their fleet and a cop being able to place a tracking device on my private property at will without any check and balence.

people want and accept onstar and knowingly sign a contract that states they are trackable.

cell phones have a emergency only mode for the GPS and if I want to be off the grid I CAN CHOOSE to leave it at home.

tracking anyone other then your minor child in IL without their knowledge is against the law. This should be a national thing IMHO.

 

[Chris-St Louis]

F-ing Wisconsin! I hate that state with every fiber of my being. The cops(Gestapo) would love to have this kind of power.


God, I hate that place so much!

 

[MUSKYMAN]

I think anyone that has a nav unit in thier vehicle is being tracked. If they want to track us they can.

this is not correct...those are GPS recievers they do not transmit anything. just look at the FCC plate on the back there is no transmitter FCC coding on any of them.

 

[az_max]

They had a large conversation on a local talk show about this yesterday while I was driving around. The cops love it. I didn't hear much of anyone else who did. But some of what was brought up in addition is the car dealers who put these on cars they finance to make it easier to find the car for a repo, that any car with OnStar is already trackable, as is any current cell phone. Some argued that you could turn off the OnStar and the GPS, which was countered by, you don't know, that OnStar of any of the cell phone companies could install software on there so they could turn it on regardless if you had it off anyway, without you even knowing it. One dude was totally paranoid about them putting a GPS in firearms so they could track them. Other's mentioned you can already buy this stuff so you can spy on your spouse, kids, friends. I can put them on my trucks and spy on my employees. Many trucking companies already know where their drivers are 24 x 7 anyway via GPS.

Add BMW and MB to that list. Both are capable of tracking via their service. Saw an episode of Operation Repo where the BMW service was able to tell the repo men where the car was.

 

[Chris-St Louis]

Everyone should study OBD-III.

http://www.loompanics.com/Articles/YourCar.html

 

[MUSKYMAN]

Everyone should study OBD-III.

yes OBDIII is designed to inform the feds if any tampering is going on and is equiped to transmit speed data and location.

I am very happy with my OBD1 cars thank you very much

 

[Chris-St Louis]

Yep, but it wouldnt be very tough to follow anyone by their car.

 

[landrovered]

I just took the EZpass thingy off the window of my HSE yesterday that was left by the PO. It was scary how small that little RFID chip is. Like a spec of sand. If they were put on your vehicle you would never find them.

 

[knewsom]

correct. A GPS receiver is NOT the same as a transponder.

I too am extremely liberal, and absolutely opposed to this. I also believe in the 2nd amendment. I'm amazed how surprised the repubs are that us liberals are opposed to having our rights violated.

 

[Roverlady]

I'm a self-proclaimed liberal and I feel this is going too far. I understand it's convenient and helpful for the cops, but it certainly violates privacy laws. Not to mention, what's the next step? Microchipping people?

However, the old "if you aren't doing anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about" rules seem to apply. They'd get pretty bored with tracking my vehicle!

 

[jhmover]

FYI I was just passing on what I heard on the radio. Frankly I agree if they want to track you they should get a search warrant. Janet Napolitano will probably want one inserted up everyone's asshole so they can track everyone 24 x 7.