the slippery slope gets even steeper.

[Chris-St Louis]

I wonder if it can record speed ann location. Can you get a ticket from such a device?

What about in a crash? Would your car tattle on you (Already can in airbag deployment) Can it match time with your cell phone?

 

[MUSKYMAN]

However, the old "if you aren't doing anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about" rules seem to apply. They'd get pretty bored with tracking my vehicle!

slippery slope...as the name of the thread implies

what happens when transporting a horse becomes a problem because the equine flu has jumped to humans and your county health "expert" wants to kill all the horses. Is it all right to track you now?

remeber you have always been boring and did everything by the rules in life

oh wait how about something simple...your car has been parked at a bar for 10 hours.

slippery slope

 

[landrovered]

They already have kill systems for folks that don't make their car payments. I read an article about it a while ago.

 

[peter sherman]

I am glad that even you have a line Scott.

this is just crazy IMHO...I guess I will be climbing under my truck more often since I am in wisconsin all the time and I am a known subversive

Thom who?
This is INSAINE!

 

[Chris-St Louis]

They already have kill systems for folks that don't make their car payments. I read an article about it a while ago.

Those are a big deal to install. Just saying.
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[knewsom]

However, the old "if you aren't doing anything wrong you don't have anything to worry about" rules seem to apply. They'd get pretty bored with tracking my vehicle!

Trouble is, what is "wrong"? This enables law enforcement to suppress political dissidents... dissent is a quintessential right in this country. My definition of "wrong" is VERY different than the definition of "wrong" that the police officer who beat the shit out of my father at a protest 35 years ago had. Thankfully, in that particular instance, the courts didn't support that crazy bastard's definition.

 

[jim-00-4.6]

My favorite part of the article:

Attaching the device was not a violation, he wrote, because Sveum's driveway is a public place.

Where I live, there is a law that says I have to clear my sidewalk within 24 hours of the end of a snowfall.
So.. If my driveway is a public place, does that mean the municipality will shovel it for me?
sweet.
Also, I'd like the percentage of my property that is my driveway removed from my property taxes please.
"Well, we didn't mean that kind of public place, we just meant the kind where the fucking cops could do whatever the fuck they want".

This kind of shit really pisses me off.

 

[p m]

On the technical subject... Thom, if I understand it correctly, they didn't have a transponder on the guy's car. It was a tracker - meaning it logged the data, but didn't transmit it anywhere. They retrieved it and offloaded the data.

Also, a roll of aluminum tape from JCWhitney takes good care of GPS reception. And it never hurts to look around the underside of your vehicles once in a while, anyway.

 

[Chris-St Louis]

This will be like abortion..... It was ment to be "Safe yet rare".

Real rare 40 years later.....

 

[jhmover]

I keep my Fast Pass in the little bin above the sun visor - it won't send out a signal there, or they give you a mylar bag to put it in if you're totally paranoid. They use them here to track traffic flow. You get the standard BS about how the data is all scrambled, but what can be scrambled can be unscrambled, then the cops can find out your general whereabouts whenever they want to.

 

[landrovered]

Knowing our government's propensity to sell your data, I could see them selling it to google so that they can send tageted advertising to your carputer or cell phone.

 

[MUSKYMAN]

I keep my Fast Pass in the little bin above the sun visor - it won't send out a signal there, or they give you a mylar bag to put it in if you're totally paranoid. They use them here to track traffic flow. You get the standard BS about how the data is all scrambled, but what can be scrambled can be unscrambled, then the cops can find out your general whereabouts whenever they want to.

they arrested a father in IL a couple years back using the Ipass information during a 'amber alert' the state police played it down saying that a state trooper spotted the car but they did admit that they knew where to focus their attention based on the Ipass .

this is a tough issue and when you look from all algles it is confusing at best where to draw the line, but hey there really does have to be a line.

 

[MarkP]

This may yet fall at a national level, and I suspect it will. Giving Police more power is NOT the answer. Thankfully, the international community seems to be very pro-right to privacy, and our current administration is receptive to the input of the international community. .....

Really? This fits right in with ACORN and the Census, architected by ....... our current administration.


Obama and ACORN GPS Marking EVERY Front Door in America?
America's Independent Party ^ | 4-29-2009 | JB Williams

....According to one of the Census workers, who spoke with me on condition of anonymity, they must GPS mark the coordinates “within 40 ft of every front door” in America and they are supposed to complete that mission nation wide, within 90 days, by the end of July 2009.....​

GPS Marking EVERY Front Door - Part II (A United Nations Mandate?)
Canada Free Press ^ | May 7, 2009 | JB Williams

....It turns out that Obama, ACORN and the US Census Bureau are not the only folks interested in the GPS coordinates for every home in the USA.

In a United Nations Report dated September 2004 titled, Integration of GPS, Digital Imagery and GIS with Census Mapping, the United Nations Statistics Division announced –....​

 

[jhmover]

Part of how Scott Peterson was convicted was cell phone GPS data. Dumb ass didn't leave it at home. Were I ever to do something where I cared that my GPS phone might be tracked, I'd consider taping it under someone else's car and let the cops go nuts trying to figure it out. Same if I ever found a tracking device under my car.

 

[Lake_Bueller]

I'm definately not a crazy liberal but I am from Wisconsin. Personally, I'm not offended by the actual use of tracking devises to follow suspected criminals. How is this really any different than having an officer in an unmarked car follow somebody. Do they need a warrant for that?

Where I think the slope get slippery is deciding when such action is justified. In this particular case, the guy was proven to be a criminal.

 

[Jake]

This may make itto the Supremes. I hope that it fails....scary areas we are moving into...

 

[Roverlady]

slippery slope...as the name of the thread implies

what happens when transporting a horse becomes a problem because the equine flu has jumped to humans and your county health "expert" wants to kill all the horses. Is it all right to track you now?

remeber you have always been boring and did everything by the rules in life

oh wait how about something simple...your car has been parked at a bar for 10 hours.

slippery slope

Very good points! I'd be guilty if you changed "bar" to "vineyard" I'm sure.

Don't forget I'm agreeing with you that's it crazy wrong and would lead to some even more extreme next steps.

 

[MUSKYMAN]

I'm definately not a crazy liberal but I am from Wisconsin. Personally, I'm not offended by the actual use of tracking devises to follow suspected criminals. How is this really any different than having an officer in an unmarked car follow somebody. Do they need a warrant for that?

Where I think the slope get slippery is deciding when such action is justified. In this particular case, the guy was proven to be a criminal.

I can answer that...because the slippery slope heads to the registration sticker on your car and the state can then issue every car a tracking sticker.

so they can then start looking at who drove by a location of a "suspected crime" and then come investigate at your house.

and all you did was drive by.

if they needed to follow everybody all the time with man hours the simple logistics would prevent it. but once the man hours part is legally eliminated then the option of 100% survielence becomes a reality.

 

[MarkP]

GPS marking / tracking by a corrupt ACORN.

ACORN board member speaks out​

What could go wrong?

 

[Lake_Bueller]

Okay Thom....let me put it to you this way.

Some crazy pervert is suspected of stalking your daughter. Nobody has actually been able to prove the point but it's still suspected. The police don't have the time & money to tail the guy for a week. Would you be in favor of them putting a GPS tracker on his vehicle?

I'm not saying...I'm just saying.