Didn't he have a knife that broke in a Z's head, then he grabbed the machete sticking out of the back of the other one? I thought that was how he cut his hand - knife broke and sliced him.
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Didn't he have a knife that broke in a Z's head, then he grabbed the machete sticking out of the back of the other one? I thought that was how he cut his hand - knife broke and sliced him.
I don't know. I was half asleep. It'll be cleared up in the next episode.
Cheers,
Kennith
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Now that's funny!
Some website (I think radaronline) posted a photo of him still on the set and recording in recent weeks. If he is dead we'll still see him in spirit.
Some website (I think radaronline) posted a photo of him still on the set and recording in recent weeks. If he is dead we'll still see him in spirit.
I don't think he's dead, just because he didn't show up on Talking Dead right after. They usually do that when someone of importance dies in the show (they did it with Breaking Bad as well).
Well...My wife sent this to me when I was BS'ing with a buddy about Glenn.....
Damn. What an episode. This season is going to interesting.
An excellent example of how to fracture a team and mentally destroy individuals. This episode was great, and while I hoped it was coming after the initial reveal, the twist was still a neat surprise. Lots of people seem to be bitching about the episode, but I don't think they're following what was on display.
This character essentially raped the group. He abused them, stole all their power for himself, forcefully implanted his image in their minds, and placed them entirely at his mercy with extreme efficiency.
I put myself in his position, having captured the group, and determined that his actions worked for me.
Remember, every person, to themselves, is the most important person in the universe. This new villain, therefore, has every reason to eliminate his newly encountered threat; a threat to his (depending upon how the show presents it later) functional, and perfectly valid system of government with ages of historical precedent.
Lots of undercurrents were featured here: Presentation of an individual as a God-like figure, a Biblical character's fate, and a likewise reenactment of that character's ancient tale after the event. I love that shit; especially when it's subtly and so wonderfully handled.
They also entirely reversed the "damsel in distress" convention; removing an asset people were afraid would be removed, but in a different manner than they expected.
I think this is one of the more clever episodes so far. Obviously there's no telling where they will take this, but to my mind, in reality, that group would be finished. I'd have gone one further to drive the last nail in the coffin in his position, but if I say what I would have done, I'll be giving away who survived to those who haven't seen it yet. If someone else posts spoilers, I'll edit this post with my other comments.
I really fucking like this new guy.
On a side note, Andrew Lincoln blew the fucking doors off the small screen here. He's turned into a phenomenal actor throughout the series, but this takes the cake. It's some of the best acting I've ever seen on television.
Cheers,
Kennith
This character essentially raped the group. He abused them, stole all their power for himself, forcefully implanted his image in their minds, and placed them entirely at his mercy with extreme efficiency.
I put myself in his position, having captured the group, and determined that his actions worked for me.
Remember, every person, to themselves, is the most important person in the universe. This new villain, therefore, has every reason to eliminate his newly encountered threat; a threat to his (depending upon how the show presents it later) functional, and perfectly valid system of government with ages of historical precedent.
Lots of undercurrents were featured here: Presentation of an individual as a God-like figure, a Biblical character's fate, and a likewise reenactment of that character's ancient tale after the event. I love that shit; especially when it's subtly and so wonderfully handled.
They also entirely reversed the "damsel in distress" convention; removing an asset people were afraid would be removed, but in a different manner than they expected.
I think this is one of the more clever episodes so far. Obviously there's no telling where they will take this, but to my mind, in reality, that group would be finished. I'd have gone one further to drive the last nail in the coffin in his position, but if I say what I would have done, I'll be giving away who survived to those who haven't seen it yet. If someone else posts spoilers, I'll edit this post with my other comments.
I really fucking like this new guy.
On a side note, Andrew Lincoln blew the fucking doors off the small screen here. He's turned into a phenomenal actor throughout the series, but this takes the cake. It's some of the best acting I've ever seen on television.
Cheers,
Kennith
I stopped mid second half of last season when they attacked the radar/relay station and then Maggie and Carol got captured. I had enjoyed the unpredictability of the show up to that point but saw that coming a mile away.
Is it actually worth watching the show anymore? I know who gets smashed in the head in the comic and assume it's the same.
Is it actually worth watching the show anymore? I know who gets smashed in the head in the comic and assume it's the same.
It's never been worth watching. It's just fun.
I've got a friend who saw the Glen dumpster scene, heard it didn't work out the way he figured, and then stopped watching the show. He won't even acknowledge it if mentioned, because as far as he's concerned, no episode beyond that point could possibly exist with that character in tow.
I tried to describe the cool factor of this episode to him last night, but was met with repeated interruptions of: "No. Nope. It never happened." And then he went on about football...
Now, just imagine me being shut down that thoroughly. Enjoy yourself. :rofl:
If you stop watching something that was otherwise fun simply because something predictable happened, or something that you couldn't explain, or simply didn't like, you're never going to finish a series, and will miss out on lots of fun stuff. It's the same way in life, because life is entertainment.
Some people even stop watching a show because it's not "cool" anymore. What's that all about?
You'll never know if you will enjoy what happened after you stopped watching unless you try watching it. One event you personally deem a mistake on the part of the writers shouldn't be enough to turn you off. You've got to give everything a few chances; a few mistakes. If you don't, you'll miss out on a lot of stuff, and not just in television shows.
Cheers,
Kennith
I get what you're saying. That episode did it for me, though. It was just too much of the same oh-things-are-going-so-great-nope-we're-fucked with that episode and the painful back and forth between every character telling Maggie "you should totally not come on this excursion".
I lost my mind in the 2nd season when they had previously been rocking shitty carb'd vehicles only to suddenly have a perfect Hyundai Santa Fe or Kia something. And don't even get me started on how the military group got out gunned by the Governor and his cronies.
I lost my mind in the 2nd season when they had previously been rocking shitty carb'd vehicles only to suddenly have a perfect Hyundai Santa Fe or Kia something. And don't even get me started on how the military group got out gunned by the Governor and his cronies.
You're right about that. It's pretty much the same story re-hashed constantly, and quite unrealistic. These guys would have been dead a hundred times over. Piss-poor survival choices constantly. They may as well be a group of horny college kids renting a cabin in the woods.
We all know what's going to happen...
Remember, though, zombie films aren't about zombies, gear, preparation, or survival as a theme, and never have been. The point is to create a natural force that is relentless, increasing in number, and morally neutral; thus compressing a diverse (diversity is critical) set of characters into an impossible situation. We're meant to observe as the humans exist in those confines; bumping into each other, arguing, becoming close, becoming enemies, and jockeying for position.
What will they do next? Forget survival. How will they endure existence together?
Perhaps the most important theme that is a constant in every such film is that of how far one must go in order to exceed the threat level of the amoral zombie plague; at what point will a character or group push the boundaries of survival action so far that one must consider the possibility that they simply do not deserve to survive.
This is why my previous favorite episode saw Rick bite that guy's neck out. He crossed the line. He took his survival past the amorality of the plague when he continued to act. He became the threat, and then added his humanity into the mix, which is volatile.
The only evil in these worlds is that which the characters bring into them. Greed is the motivation, because to survive is to be greedy. It is neither bad nor good alone, but the viewer is always meant to weigh each action upon his own scales of morality.
You see, as of this episode, I don't have a problem with Negan. He was ruthless, but efficient in the protection end enforcement of his supply lines; and subjugating settlements in exchange for security is perfectly valid in such an environment. A lot of people don't like him right now because of what he did, but Rick's group was a genuine chaotic influence. They got what was coming to them.
What does that say about me? How about those who take the opposing position; what does it say about them?
Zombie shit is deep, man. It's always been commentary, and aside from one crack in the early days of cinema, the films find their very origin in protesting views of the writers. This is one of the few genres in which you are genuinely meant to dig below the surface; a surface meant purely to create interactions between the characters with impossible choices.
So... I give them a very, very long rope from which to hang themselves with this show (as I do with all zombie content). I'd have turned it off ten minutes into the first episode otherwise, when the officer disabled the "safety" on a Glock by swiping the slide release. :rofl:
What's special about this, to me, is the idea that we're not constrained to a feature-length movie. We get to follow the characters much farther into the environment, and see how they handle each other. Zombie films are protests using social commentary and soap opera elements. This just gives us a chance to explore the content in much greater detail.
I do recognize your notes, though. Those things certainly happened, and continue to happen, and they are indeed annoying.
I think the only single event that would make me stop watching a show immediately is if Tyrion is killed in Game of Thrones. By it's very nature, Walking Dead has no character that strong and interesting. These are meant to be real people, after all, and real people just aren't that interesting.
Hell, I already know how I'd end the show if it was my task to write the episode.
Cheers,
Kennith
Well, now we know Daryl's living on...
Easy Street
"and it feels so sweet, cos the world is but a treat when you're on easy street..."
Easy Street
"and it feels so sweet, cos the world is but a treat when you're on easy street..."
That was a brilliant episode.
The more I see Negan, the more I realize they've finally given me a "personality double" in this show. With any ensemble cast, the viewers are meant to find someone with whom they can identify; someone their friends will point at and say "Hey! That's you!". It's part of the fun of it all.
Up until now, there really wasn't anyone like that for me in the show. It seems there is now. Obviously I don't know where the character is going, but so far, this Negan cat is spot the fuck on. It's almost a little creepy how similar he is. Well, aside from the likely height difference. :rofl:
Cheers,
Kennith