Thinking of getting an 870 20ga. compact, opinions?

mike97d1

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I've been thinking of getting a shotgun for home defense. I'm leaning towards the 20ga Remington 870 Express Compact Jr. I like that it is small and light, and the 870 family has the rep for reliability. Anyone have experience with this model. It needs to be used by my wife as well so keep that in mine. Primary use would be home defense. I am more of a pistol guy, so I don't know much about shotguns, but I realize for home defense they are the best option.
 
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I just picked up a Remington 887 nitro mag. Very nice shotgun. Best of all with the armorlokt coating it's pretty much impervious to the weather. I keep my Taurus Judge polymer in my nightstand. 5 rounds of 410 in the palm of your hand is pretty nice for home defense.
 

mike97d1

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I just picked up a Remington 887 nitro mag. Very nice shotgun. Best of all with the armorlokt coating it's pretty much impervious to the weather. I keep my Taurus Judge polymer in my nightstand. 5 rounds of 410 in the palm of your hand is pretty nice for home defense.

Yea, a buddy of mine is a big fan of the judge with 410. I have a Glock 17C holding 18 rounds, and a 27 holding 14 right by the bed now. Would be nice to have a 20ga for the wife to grab if she needs it.
 
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mike97d1 said:
Do they have a compact model like that is 20ga.? 12 is a bit much for the wife to handle.

After a brief look, it does not look like the SXP Defender is available in 20 gauge.
Which brings up a question I have. Is there really any noticeable difference in recoil between 12 and 20 gauges? I have shot a lot of 12 gauges, but only a few 20s, and those were years ago. Last year I bought my father a 20 gauge semi-auto and I think it has more kick than my 12 gauge pump.
My wife and daughters are on the petite side, and they don't mind shooting the 12 gauge.
 

mike97d1

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I noticed a pretty big difference with the last 20ga I shot. Plus my wife is very intimidated by guns. The more comfortable I can make it, the more chance I have of getting her to practice. Also, the size and weight of a 12ga vs the 20ga is a big benefit. I think a 20 is enough to do the job, so why go overboard and have less chance of her getting trigger time.
She hated shooting my glock 27 (.40 cal)(even with a grip extension), but when I got her a compensated glock 17 (9mm) she was way more comfortable. Not a huge difference, but enough to get her comfortable.
Was just curious if anyone had experience with the 870 compact, or knew of any other compact 20ga pump guns
 
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mike97d1 said:
I noticed a pretty big difference with the last 20ga I shot. Plus my wife is very intimidated by guns....
...Was just curious if anyone had experience with the 870 compact, or knew of any other compact 20ga pump guns
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Understood.
By the way, I just brought home my new SXP.
 

mike97d1

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Understood.
By the way, I just brought home my new SXP.

Congrats, always fun to add to the collection. My buddy has an older Winchester 1300 defender and it's been a great gun. And a beast with slugs in it. Take a look at XS big dot sights. I have them on my pistols and love them, and I've heard they are great on pump guns as well. Very fast sight acquisition.
 
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cdansan

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I have a H&R Pardner 20ga youth model for my wife. I think I paid $149 for it new.
With the same ejecta, for example: 1 ounce load at 1100 fps, there is no difference between 12 and 20 gauge. The 20ga may actually have more recoil if it weighs less than the 12ga.
The benefit is that the lower weight is easier for her to handle.
 

kennith

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If your wife is uncomfortable around firearms, resolve the issue.

She should be not only comfortable, but content operating any firearm placed in her hands. She needs to feel fine cleaning parts on the coffee table while having a pleasant conversation and watching television.

If that's not the case, the weapon will be useless in their hands during a stressful encounter.

Now, everyone says they will be sure to train their wife appropriately, but it never fucking happens. The results are not ideal.

Once it's done, the chance to train them properly without ill effects is very often lost.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

mike97d1

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If your wife is uncomfortable around firearms, resolve the issue.

She should be not only comfortable, but content operating any firearm placed in her hands. She needs to feel fine cleaning parts on the coffee table while having a pleasant conversation and watching television.

If that's not the case, the weapon will be useless in their hands during a stressful encounter.

Now, everyone says they will be sure to train their wife appropriately, but it never fucking happens. The results are not ideal.

Once it's done, the chance to train them properly without ill effects is very often lost.

Cheers,

Kennith

I agree, completely. I'm not the kind that puts a revolver in the drawer and a shotgun in the closet and assumes everything will happen like the movies.
That's why I got her the Glock 17C. She did not like the shooting the 27, so I figured I'd get something easier to handle (thus making her more comfortable and more likely to practice). It has more to hold on to and no muzzle flip. I let her break it down, re-assemble and chamber it, she knows how it functions. She has gotten much better. She went from freaked out that the 27 was going to come out of her hands and hit her in the face, to running through a mag hitting a milk jug every shot. Now when we go see her parents in the country, she asks me if I want to go shooting while we are there.
All that said, when I introduce a new gun she is un-familiar and nervous. That's why I think a small 20 ga would be good. Not to heavy, easier to move through the house in a defense situation, and a 20 still does the job. If the shit hits the fan, she knows to grab her gun, go into the master closet (where the additional mags are, and call the police). If I happen to get killed and the situation makes its way to the closet door, a 20 ga would be better for her than the Glock. I know (and she knows) that training and being comfortable with the weapon are key. But the easier I can make it for her, the better chance I have of her shooting and getting comfortable and secure in her use of weapons.
 
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Drillbit

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Me and Kennith disagreed on shotgun concepts once before, why not again? My wife isn't scared of guns but doesn't love shooting either. I got her a Benelli Super Nova 12 ga. a few years ago. She can't field strip it but she has shot it enough she knows where the safety is and to keep shooting till the threat isn't a threat. She can get all 8 rounds into the same car door (i have lots of car doors) I feel better with her being able to do this than I would trying to get her into come combat class she didn't care to be in.

On a side note, if your wife hates recoil get a Remington 1100. They are heavy but don't kick at all. I have a 12 gauge I used to use when I would shot 200 birds a day. They make a home defense version or just put an extender tube on your field gun.
 

leeawalden

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a400, reallllllll smooth.

got to a pawn shop and buy a cheap side by side. Saw it off and be done. But honestly, you can't go wrong with an 870. I have 2 of them and while they aren't the greatest gun on Gods green earth, they are extremely reliable and they are cheap.
 

roverMc

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From dealing with Winchester and Reminton shotguns, Remington usually builds a better gun. I agree, if you can find her a youth model Rem 1100, she'll be happier!
 

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The 870 has been around forever. Easy and reliable. For defense, reliability is key, so pump is a good choice (less chance to jam).

12 or 20, the important part is the load. 00 Buck is the best defense round. It does a lot of damage!! I'm sure you can youtube it.
 

scottsdalerrc

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i have an 870 tactical 12ga pump as a home defense firearm. i run winchester pdx rounds every other round with the 00 cartridges. figure if i'm not lucky on a pdx round, the 00 will spread my shot enough to do some work.

parts are cheap, its easy to take down and clean and with a 7 round tube extension its unbeatable in short/medium range personal and home defense scenarios.

who doesnt pucker up when that pump in cocked?