Quite so, and perhaps it would also banish 'micro-aggression' to the dustbin of the English language where it deserves to reside.
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Quite so, and perhaps it would also banish 'micro-aggression' to the dustbin of the English language where it deserves to reside.
Robots will fix robots. AI will design and program them. Humans will still be involved but less than required now. Most truck and cab drivers are about to be unemployed and it will continue. Our policies must adapt to our changing reality.
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done. my weekends and 3-4 days per week 8 months/year are spent with my kids at the hockey rink.
to the other remarks, robotics is not a high paying field by any means. i was basically a project engineer when i left and i make more money running an auto repair shop for somebody.
this is the big question that really needs answered. who in the fucking world will roof a house in the elements, spread mulch, dig ditches, clean hotels, etc for $9/hour? ask any of your friends that have their own hvac, roofing, construction companies/business etc and ask them that question.
ask a 16 year old with an iq of 90 and the aptitude for labor, not university, do they want to learn how to replace a roof in 100 degree weather for $5/hour or do you want to sit a mobile phone kiosk in the mall for $5/hour?
some people like to glaze over the little stuff. the people worshiping trump because he's going to deport illegals are missing the obvious...he's going to get rid of all the lettuce pickers, hotel cleaners, roofers, mulch spreaders, etc so why?? so more americans can do those jobs for minimum wage??? lets be honest, we are an entitled society of marginally physically fit people that need a half hour break every 2 hours and those are just the pencil pushers that work so hard making 6 figures. im so sick and tired hearing white collar people brag about how hard they work!!! working long hours is a lot different than picking lettuce in 100 degree weather!!! illegal aliens are hard workers and to be honest they dont brag about working hard because NOBODY truely enjoys hard work. maybe some enjoy hard work but im yet to meet one. i enjoyed hard work in the navy but i was young and could keep up!
i only use trump as an example because i have no utter clue what clinton wants....other than world domination.
we have issues that can only be resolved by like minded individuals agreeing to disagree for the greater good. a sustainable existence. until corporate interest is removed from our government, regulation is restored, NOTHING will change for the greater good, just the ones in control.
deregulating free market did not expose the invisible hand it only made the ones in control stronger. it continues to colonize third world countries. it has forced small business owners to close shop and work for the box store competitors. it guarantees walmart will always be in business. i still think walmart needs to change their slogan to "we keep prices low to guarantee your employer never needs to give you another raise...and as always we're hiring part time employees'.
deregulating free market did not expose the invisible hand it only made the ones in control stronger. it continues to colonize third world countries. it has forced small business owners to close shop and work for the box store competitors. it guarantees walmart will always be in business. i still think walmart needs to change their slogan to "we keep prices low to guarantee your employer never needs to give you another raise...and as always we're hiring part time employees'.
I think Hillary and that little fat kid that runs North Korea have their suits made by the same guy.
Yup. Most white collar work isnt all that difficult per se. It can be frustrating, tedious, and downright boring, but seldom is it grueling like actual labor.
Is that because they truly dont like the work or, unless you are a professional athlete or some specialized mechanic, physical labor jobs dont pay well?
Another side note...
For the sake of my sanity, I took a year off from software development a few years ago. During that time, I worked grounds crew at a golf course. It was great. Outside, doing landscaping, getting exercise, playing with big machines and you are done at 1 or 2 in the afternoon.
I coulda done that forever. The problem? $9.50/hr doesnt cut it.
^thats the million dollar question. Who is going to work 'hard' for $10/hour? After taxes, and other payroll deductions, 40 hours/week, that's what about $280/week?
or how about this...what if 'hard working' Americans started mowing their own yards? Picking their own produce? Preparing their own dinner? dry cleaning their own laundry? Washing their own dog? Detailing their own car? Cleaning their own fucking home? we create some of the very problems we complain about!!! stop being a lazy fuck and that eliminates a lot of service industry jobs which are usually staffed with illegals.
Stop demanding top of the line quality home or automobile repairs WHILE demanding the absolute lowest price. That eliminates need for very very cheap labor in the skilled labor work force.
the American Dream isn't being able to pay someone to spread you're fucking mulch...entitled minded lazy assholes aren't solely responsible for diminishing wages but they sure don't help the situation.
Imagine this. Some honkey wants 15 hours of work performed at his house. However much money that honkey makes per hour is what that laborer is paid per hour times 15 hours. I bet you'd see a lot more honkies taking time out of their busy football watching golf weekend at some bullshit corporate chain restarunt spreading some fucking mulch. Instead we have laborers under cutting other laborers to get those jobs. To undercut the other guy means you don't take less money your employees do. Which leads us back to who's going to do this fucking work at less than poverty wages?
or how about this...what if 'hard working' Americans started mowing their own yards? Picking their own produce? Preparing their own dinner? dry cleaning their own laundry? Washing their own dog? Detailing their own car? Cleaning their own fucking home? we create some of the very problems we complain about!!! stop being a lazy fuck and that eliminates a lot of service industry jobs which are usually staffed with illegals.
Stop demanding top of the line quality home or automobile repairs WHILE demanding the absolute lowest price. That eliminates need for very very cheap labor in the skilled labor work force.
the American Dream isn't being able to pay someone to spread you're fucking mulch...entitled minded lazy assholes aren't solely responsible for diminishing wages but they sure don't help the situation.
Imagine this. Some honkey wants 15 hours of work performed at his house. However much money that honkey makes per hour is what that laborer is paid per hour times 15 hours. I bet you'd see a lot more honkies taking time out of their busy football watching golf weekend at some bullshit corporate chain restarunt spreading some fucking mulch. Instead we have laborers under cutting other laborers to get those jobs. To undercut the other guy means you don't take less money your employees do. Which leads us back to who's going to do this fucking work at less than poverty wages?
Teenagers and poor people who have enough pride and willpower to avoid the final step to homelessness?
Not saying thats enough of a workforce, but I assume thats who would do it.
There was some OT sprinkled in now and then, but yeah about $5-600 every 2 weeks.
Your throw-in earlier about being young enough to do more physical things in the navy is interesting...
When I was young, I didnt like doing that stuff because those were associated with "chores". As I got older and got my own place, I got to appreciate the feeling of keeping your shit reasonably nice. Once I passed 35 I started realizing that, physically, "if you dont use it, youre gonna lose it", so I actually kinda look forward to any excuse to get the body lubed up for an hour or 5.
To make this semi-forum relevant, I think the fact that able bodied people will actually take their car to the dealer to get new wipers installed is fucking sad.
I don't disagree with anything you've said but can you explain that math. 30% of what a minimum wage worker makes they don't see?
I just used 30% due to what I pay for fed, Fica, state, etc.... I googled tax rates on minuimum wage and $10/hour is still close enough to some state minimum wages and it looks more like 10%. So figure it's more like $360ish take home per week.
keep in mind I'm not being sarcastic or trying to be an asshole I am honestly asking who will do this work for this money. i honestly want to know because I have no clue. I ask some our customers whenever they go on and on about illegals and they don't have an answer. Some of our customers, who have their own business', flat out tell me they can't get a non-south American to work to save their lives! Some of them say the South Americans they did have all went back home...and if they don't find employees soon they'll have to go to work for some of their contractor friends. My sons hockey coach from last season has his own HVAC business, he almost had to close up this past year. His problem isn't illegals it's other American scumbags that will under cut and do very shitty work! but that's a different rant. there are theoretical answers but we're getting dangerously close to an almost terminal polarization in this country.
keep in mind I'm not being sarcastic or trying to be an asshole I am honestly asking who will do this work for this money. i honestly want to know because I have no clue. I ask some our customers whenever they go on and on about illegals and they don't have an answer. Some of our customers, who have their own business', flat out tell me they can't get a non-south American to work to save their lives! Some of them say the South Americans they did have all went back home...and if they don't find employees soon they'll have to go to work for some of their contractor friends. My sons hockey coach from last season has his own HVAC business, he almost had to close up this past year. His problem isn't illegals it's other American scumbags that will under cut and do very shitty work! but that's a different rant. there are theoretical answers but we're getting dangerously close to an almost terminal polarization in this country.
That is better than my wife's income. she make $10.15/hr and brings home $205 every two weeks. She works for the local college's book store. After benefits (the reason why she is working) are deducted more than half is taken out; so far the only deduction besides taxes is insurance (health, dental, vision). She hasn't started retirement with holdings yet.
Not to turn this into another insurance thread....
With her working and able to buy insurance through her employer it will save me about $430/month, have better and more coverage than what I was able to get via obama's fiasco. That and the tuition break for my two kids is why she took the job. Backing all that in I'm guessing she will be making over $40K/year when everything kicks in.
I always wonder if the folks that are hiring such labor are those people hiring them conservatives or liberal leaning. I find it very difficult to believe, given the demographics, that they are liberals given the core of the left's base isn't-generally speaking-the contractor company owner or lawn care provider.
I ask b/c I have little exposure in bulk, esp for the past couple of years being out of the US.