Tom Woods Custom Shafts

Redback

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Has anyone used Tom Woods, here in Australia knowone has developed a stronger double Cardon front shaft for a DII, i am really getting very fed up with having to rebuild or replace the DC shaft every 12mths or so.

Are TWs shafts good, the price seems very reasonable for a DC shaft.

Baz.
 

JMK

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Never used the tom woods. I have a great basin rovers D/S and I love it. I think it was a bit cheaper than the tom woods product. You might call both. As an added benifit you dont have to take any measuments. I was am happy with.

JMK
 

gmookher

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tomwoods utilizes an alum spacer and more readily available slightly beefier u joints. Stiffer? yes(i hear) more money?yes. My concern may be negligible, but I am not a fan of aluminum in the drivetrain(or alum mated against steel in a wet hi torque areas), and the thickness of the spacer is 7/8" so it actually hurts the driveline agles by shortening the lenght of the shaft(longer shafts=less harsh angles), but being a beefier shaft it is supposed to be stronger, biggest advantage being you can get the ujoint at any auto parts store usually in stock..I think they quoted me $385

GBR I was on abudget and have a factory shaft with only 12k miles, I opted for the GBR solution where he just puts greasable ujoints, and suspects that so long as you take care of it, its not the torque or strenght that kills the shaft, so its not like NEED a stronger shaft as much as i want one that lasts better than 20k miles. the down side is if you break it the ujoints arent as common. My cost was $175 for two ujoints, his service and return of my shaft. I can buy two shafts for the cost of 1 TW shaft.

Thus far I am not sure I have found any compelling reasons why the GBR solution isnt good enough or why the TW is better if anyone can help chime in, that be great

i know there are many folsk who have used the TW solution for years, which suggests a longer service life I think over the stock shaft...

I am hoping that if I follow GBRs INSISTENT Instructions that I grease the u joints at a max interval of 3k mile sor after any water exposure, he claims I'll get as much life out of those ujoints as the ones on TW...
I have asked for a spare ujoint for my toobox for $40 to add to my spare rotoflex.
 

Redback

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Thanks guys, i'll email GBR in the meantime.

At the moment i'm getting the greasable unis to see how they go, there's alot of conflicting stuff regarding whether the greasable unis are any better than the stock unis, but we'll see how they go.

Baz.
 

antichrist

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Redback said:
At the moment i'm getting the greasable unis to see how they go, there's alot of conflicting stuff regarding whether the greasable unis are any better than the stock unis, but we'll see how they go.
There shouldn't be any conflicting info. If you grease the joints every oil change they will last longer. If you don't grease them, they won't last as long. Pretty straight forward.

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I mean if you don't grease them they won't last as long as the non-greasable type.
 
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rovercanus

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Is the GBR driveshaft really a heavy duty driveshaft, or is it a DII driveshaft with greasable u-joints painted green?
I can replace u-joints and I have green paint.
 
rovercanus said:
Is the GBR driveshaft really a heavy duty driveshaft, or is it a DII driveshaft with greasable u-joints painted green?
I can replace u-joints and I have green paint.

You can get a brandy new driveshaft from Bill that is hella stout, or you can get a rebuilt DII. The one i put on a truck was brandy new, painted green and had an aluminium adapter. I'm not a real fan of anything "Adaptor", but ti has held up in a heavily modified truck that is beaten on. Little else has held up in this particular truck.
 

justinhaaga

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toms woods is worlds better than Bill and I am not just saying that to playa hate bill. Ask him about his sleeved on bearings DS like the one on Craig S. truck in UT. Killa.

Tom woods is #1 in offroading DS biz, bill is #1 in the mallcralwer biz. there you have it.
 

gmookher

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has anyone snapped a front shaft crawling rock? climbing wall?

I usually have only heard of them going at speed, on take offs or on the highway but I admit I probably have heard very little..
 
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justinhaaga

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they break all the time because they get slammed against rocks and the twist of the DS just causes it to crack in half.

the shaft i reference is a competition DS. It has a sleeve over it that will spin, so when it hits the rock the DS will not twist with it, rather it spins freely inside it making it so no broken DS. I don't know the price but it's the ultimate DS.
 

nrene

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This was Kavic's at Crozet a couple months ago...

Not sure the outcome with Bill though... Have to ask Kavic.

From what I understand, the final "pop" happened on relatively level dirt... the damage likely happened earlier. Nomar might be able to give a play-by-play...
 

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MUSKYMAN

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thats a very common driveshaft failure it happens when the shaft is under load and then it hits something. once the shaft is dented it wraps up like a straw.

this has nothing to do with Bill at GBR, this has to do with driveshafts in general...I dont know of any shaft builder that would/should cover a failure like that.

off-roading isnt free...you have tp pay to play
 

antichrist

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justinhaaga said:
wow that looks like a dII DS painted green.. hmmm wonder why he charges so much, oh I guess it's for the aluminum adapter.
You don't need an aluminum adaptor to use a DII front propshaft on a DI, just a DII flange. It would be silly to use an adaptor instead.
 

justinhaaga

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MUSKYMAN said:
thats a very common driveshaft failure it happens when the shaft is under load and then it hits something. once the shaft is dented it wraps up like a straw.

this has nothing to do with Bill at GBR, this has to do with driveshafts in general...I dont know of any shaft builder that would/should cover a failure like that.

off-roading isnt free...you have tp pay to play

x2
 

justinhaaga

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antichrist said:
You don't need an aluminum adaptor to use a DII front propshaft on a DI, just a DII flange. It would be silly to use an adaptor instead.

x2 so why does bill sell it that way for $499... oh boy.