UK: Boyscouts can no longer have pocket knives

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...-longer-bring-penknives-on-camping-trips.html

New advice published in Scouting, the official in-house magazine, says neither Scouts nor their parents should bring penknives to camp except in "specific" situations.

Scouts have traditionally been taught how to use knives correctly, using them on camping trips to cut firewood or carve tools.

At one point Scouts were allowed to carry a sheath knife on their belt as part of their uniform although this is no longer the case. In recent years the Scout Association guidance has been that parents should carry knives to camps or meetings.

Dave Budd, a knife-maker who runs courses training Scouts about the safe use of blades, wrote that the growing problem of knife crime meant action had to be taken.

"Sadly, there is now confusion about when a Scout is allowed to carry a knife," he wrote. "The series of high-profile fatal stabbings [has] highlighted a growing knife culture in the UK.

"I think it is safest to assume that knives of any sort should not be carried by anybody to a Scout meeting or camp, unless there is likely to be a specific need for one. In that case, they should be kept by the Scout leaders and handed out as required."

Troops leaders however have said the decision is "very sad". Sheila Burgin, from 4th Sevenoaks Scout Group in Kent, said: "Scouts by law are allowed to have Swiss army knives. I think this is going too far ? you just don?t know when a Scout will need a knife.

"It is also suggested that the leader keeps control of the knives when they go camping, but I think that is completely wrong. The first Scout Law is 'The Scout is to be trusted'. Scouts love having knives and using them properly. There is nothing wrong with it."

Miss Burgin, who offers lessons in carving using penknives, added: "If you teach children to use a knife properly they won?t abuse it. If someone wants to cause harm they will do it anyway. It is a real shame it has come to this."

A Scouts spokesman said: "We believe that young people need more places to go after school and at weekends, where they can experience adventure without the threat of violence or bullying and the need to carry weapons.

"Scouting helps to prepare young people with valuable life skills, while keeping them safe by not carrying knives."

Meanwhile a school has banned giving out goldfish as prizes at its fetes after it was criticised by animal welfare societies.

John Porteous, the headteacher of Turton School, in Bromley Cross, near Bolton, Greater Manchester, has pledged that they will not hand out goldfish as prizes after coming under fire from the Captive Animals' Protection Society.
 

emmodg

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Thanks for lobbing another "copy & paste grenade" out there Steve! You ever copy & paste good news?
 

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Went hiking a few weeks ago and ended up camping on the trail near a scout troop. They told me they are no longer allowed to have snipe hunts or anything else considered "hazing". Very sad, that's the fun part of scouts.
 

rovercanus

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It's about time! Scout involved crimes have sky rocketed in the British Isles as of late.
 

SCSL

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emmodg said:
Thanks for lobbing another "copy & paste grenade" out there Steve! You ever copy & paste good news?

Isn't this good news? Just think of all the lives that will be saved. It's for the children...
 

emmodg

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You know who's to blame don't you? Those damn commie, gun-hating, school children-brainwashing socialists in the White House! Their tentacles stretch far and wide and we need to stick together until this peace craze blows over!
 

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emmodg said:
You know who's to blame don't you? Those damn commie, gun-hating, school children-brainwashing socialists in the White House! Their tentacles stretch far and wide and we need to stick together until this peace craze blows over!

That's a good point. Alternatively we could all sit on our collective ass and pretend that things are changing for the better, rather than the worse. We could ignore the changes that happened in the UK over the past 20 years and pretend that no parallel can be drawn to the trajectory of our own society. We could also assume any statements made as to the direction of our country are partisan in nature, and have no value.
:bigok:
 

emmodg

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I can't remember the last time you posted something that A) Wasn't a copy&paste B) Direct link to some news story that spells the end of democracy of some sort or the other or C) Quote from a a founding father

I was looking at the list of threads you've started and in the last couple years alone you have more politically-charged/biased threads to your credit than anything Land Rover-Related (I counted 31 - I have a lot of time on my hands). Perhaps you have some original observations/questions? Discrete thoughts arrived at from personal observation?

But alas fight-on young patriot! Fight the pink tide that rolls upon your fellow American! Copy & Paste to the rescue!
 

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emmodg said:
Perhaps you have some original observations/questions? Discrete thoughts arrived at from personal observation?

:smilelol:
 

emmodg

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Steve my friend, I am well aware of the problems facing our nation and those of the world around us. Here's what WON'T help alleviate those problems: Fear mongering, paranoia induced by dis-information gathered throughout the internet talking heads, finger pointing (be it towards the left OR right), party politics, and distrust of all that does not fit our own personal political "gestalt".

My "ass" votes for the man and NOT the party. My "ass" didn't vote for any of the last two clowns we've had in the White House. My "ass" is more interested in finding a solution and less in the problem. What's your "ass" do?

"We could also assume any statements made as to the direction of our country are partisan in nature, and have no value."

Wow! Yeah, when I think about you I definitely think "non-partisan"! :rolleyes:
 

SCSL

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The funny thing about this is that I'm excrutiatingly non-partisan. I hold both of our main political parties (what I refer to as "republicrats") in equal distain. I think that perhaps you are frustrated by much of the ignorant, uninformed partisanism you see around you and are projecting this upon me to one extent or another. I am a critic of the trajectory of our country relative to the original intent of the Founding Fathers, as documented through their own words and writings. It would be a mistake (and unfair to me) to assume that my criticism of an administration that is currently run by democrats as meaning that I do not hurl the same criticism at republicans.

For example, Exibit A: I was (and am) a HUGE opponent of the Patriot Act and the creation of a the Dept of Homeland Security, both of course originating from a republican administration.

Exhibit B: I was a huge oppontent of TARP and the various financial shennanigans that occured under Bush who, last I checked, was a republican.

Exhibit C: I have been extremely critical of the strategy behind the Iraq War and of our overall strategy in the mideast. This strategy, last I checked, was in fact created and implemented by a republican administration.

It is my expressed view that both parties have failed the America and that our congress is almost hopelessly corrupt. It stands to reason that my current criticisms would be directed at democrats seeing as that they currently run both the executive and legislative branches of our government.

I have had positive exchanges with many DWeb members (many of whom you know personally) regarding these issues.

So I'm not sure how you could mistake me for a republican partisan. Perhaps you are having a bad day. Why are you so hostile today?
 

emmodg

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Not a bad day, just a weird one...

Maybe it's this RIDICULOUS shit, ( and actually quite embarrassing to our country), that's happening with The President's Speech in schools today. WHy a President can't be allowed to speak in schools is beyond me!
 

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more stupid fucking shit from the formerly great kingdom.....they have lost their fucking minds....as far as knife crimes in GB, well they outlawed guns....what do they expect? the gubbmint of GB has almost completely lost any semblance of reality....

oh yeah, emmdog? blow me. SCSLs articles are great treatises of common sense
 

rovercanus

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Jake said:
oh yeah, emmdog? blow me.
Wow Jake! As conservative as you are I didn't picture you as gay!
While JB is a gotdammed good looking man, I still wouldn't want his lips near my nether regions.
 

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Funny thing is that the British are probably complaining about this as being the result of the insidious and pervasive pollution of the proud British culture by American influences