I HATE PONIES said:
Doritos work pretty well for stoners. Just dip them in antifreeze first. The doritos. Or the stoners. either way it's a win.
What would you do?
- Thread starter RBBailey
- Start date
Doritos work pretty well for stoners. Just dip them in antifreeze first. The doritos. Or the stoners. either way it's a win.
A house is just a house. Your family and pet's safety is more important. And not just their safety, but your sanity and peace of mind as you will constantly live in fear of that dog, and be looking over your shoulder.
I'm in a similar situation. Neighbors let their dog run the neighborhood. I have to make sure the other dogs aren't around just so I can put my dog in the car to go for a drive or to the vet. Fences aren't a 100% prevention either as their dogs have gotten into my fenced yard and attacked my dogs. I can't take my leashed dogs for walks in the neighborhood. And I can't talk to my neighbors about it because while they are decent enough neighbors, I can tell that the subject wouldn't be welcomed warmly by them. So I am constantly checking to make sure their dogs aren't around and always paranoid that my little Tater Bug would be end up a tasty snack.
It will become more irritating and lifestyle changing than you think. And again, it's not just the dog, it's obviously the ignorant, inconsiderate owner you'd be dealing with as well...and for a long time possibly.
I'd pass and keep looking. Seriously, you do not want to clean up dead puppy and cat guts in front of your crying kids.
I'm in a similar situation. Neighbors let their dog run the neighborhood. I have to make sure the other dogs aren't around just so I can put my dog in the car to go for a drive or to the vet. Fences aren't a 100% prevention either as their dogs have gotten into my fenced yard and attacked my dogs. I can't take my leashed dogs for walks in the neighborhood. And I can't talk to my neighbors about it because while they are decent enough neighbors, I can tell that the subject wouldn't be welcomed warmly by them. So I am constantly checking to make sure their dogs aren't around and always paranoid that my little Tater Bug would be end up a tasty snack.
It will become more irritating and lifestyle changing than you think. And again, it's not just the dog, it's obviously the ignorant, inconsiderate owner you'd be dealing with as well...and for a long time possibly.
I'd pass and keep looking. Seriously, you do not want to clean up dead puppy and cat guts in front of your crying kids.
DiscoJen said:
X2. You won't feel at peace. Ever. While the dog is an issue, the owners are a bigger issue. Killing the dog won't relieve you of the neighbor. They'll just get another dog.
Not to be a prick... but on my last house hunting 10-day trip as part of an upcoming move, the wife and I went through 60+ homes. We walked away from that 10 days with a contract acceptance - third one we submitted that week, mind you.
I would offer if you are REALLY serious about it, step up your game. There will be another home out there which will appeal to you. If your agent isn't serious, get a new one. Make it happen captain!
Damned lucky of ya to see that before closing. I'd walk away. BTDT with lousy neighbors.
I personally would not buy the home unless all of your concerns are rectified. If you are a people person you'll know right off the bat if your potentially new neighbor will be a problem. I had a similar situation happen to me at my my old apartment, I did not live in the city mind you and out here a unleashed dog is a common thing. But the neighbors down the road were absolute pricks, and they had Doberman's that ran free. They were not nice dogs and they mirrored the owners personality to a T. I tried to reason with them on different occasions, and nothing was ever done about it. I can tell you firsthand that it isn't fun to mow your lawn and constantly be looking for a dog that could end your life. Not to sound like a pussy or anything but it just sucks. Where I live now its not unusual to have a black bear or timber wolf in my yard or field, and I can deal with them because they are so much easier to read. Back to the dogs, my 13 year old sister was over to my place with her/my old cocker spaniel who was nine at the time. And I had not given much thought to the neighbors dogs as I hadn't seen them in weeks. But they took after my sister and dog, thankfully I had a loaded 12ga next to the open garage door. And in a few seconds I shot and killed both dogs. My sister had some puncture wounds on her thigh and forearm, and the spaniel needed alot more attention but he is still alive. I felt absolutely horrible after the incident, and still feel responsible for it. I am not glad that I had to shoot the dogs, but it had to be done. After I brought my sis to the hospital and dog to the vet, I had to deal with the sheriff and the neighbors. It was a clusterfuck, and I moved out about a month after it happened. The owner of the dogs was ordered to community service at the local animal hospital and restitution. But it just made him more of a prick.
wheelen disco said:
This is pretty much my fear... even if the owner goes half and half on a fence, we are talking about at least 500 feet of dog proof fence. Even if the owner usually chains the dog, or tells us he will.... who knows, really? Even if it is the guy's son's dog, and it's only there every few days, and we get him to agree that having it there might be a liability for him, who's to say he doesn't quietly hold it against us that we dare to question the wonderfulness of his beast and he just decides to bring it anyway?
In other words, I'm trying to figure out what would actually make me feel comfortable about it.....
I love how there are so many responses to just shootit. That would be a nightmare! Your kids would be upset, cops would comeover, you would probably have to get a lawyer. Shooting stuff sounds like fun and games until it happens.
<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
fficeffice" /><o> </o>
That dog and that owner are a problem. Don’t kid yourself into thinking that PitBulls are cool dogs to have around your neighborhood, the vast majority of themhave a major screw lose and they are not to be trusted. I am sure some pit bull owner is going tochime in and give me a story about how their kid can swing from their pit bullsnut sack. That is all fine and dandy,but I don’t let my dog or child near pit bulls or Chows.
<o> </o>
This should not even be up for debate for you, Move on.
If you must continue to consider this house, then I would onlydo it if you personally talk to the owner of the house and the owner of the dog(may be different people). Then if yourgut gives you even the slightest feeling that it could be a bad situation, theyyou should run away.
<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com
fficeffice" /><o> </o>That dog and that owner are a problem. Don’t kid yourself into thinking that PitBulls are cool dogs to have around your neighborhood, the vast majority of themhave a major screw lose and they are not to be trusted. I am sure some pit bull owner is going tochime in and give me a story about how their kid can swing from their pit bullsnut sack. That is all fine and dandy,but I don’t let my dog or child near pit bulls or Chows.
<o
> </o>This should not even be up for debate for you, Move on.
If you must continue to consider this house, then I would onlydo it if you personally talk to the owner of the house and the owner of the dog(may be different people). Then if yourgut gives you even the slightest feeling that it could be a bad situation, theyyou should run away.
dmac25 beat me to it.... That dog was the deal breaker. move on.
He ate a decoy and pissed on it. that is fucking funny.
Ya know... on the other side.... he just may want petted and be a really nice lil puppy.
go make buddys w/ him, put a play toy in your mouth and hit the yard running.
Pit Bulls... they have a very bad reputation. I have never been around a mean one, thank goodness.
He ate a decoy and pissed on it. that is fucking funny.
Ya know... on the other side.... he just may want petted and be a really nice lil puppy.
go make buddys w/ him, put a play toy in your mouth and hit the yard running.
Pit Bulls... they have a very bad reputation. I have never been around a mean one, thank goodness.
Blueboy said:
You should actually read the poem before quoting it in this instance. Frost wasn't advocating fences at all. Here is "Mending Wall."
Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it,
And spills the upper boulders in the sun,
And makes gaps even two can pass abreast.
The work of hunters is another thing:
I have come after them and made repair
Where they have left not one stone on a stone,
But they would have the rabbit out of hiding,
To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean,
No one has seen them made or heard them made,
But at spring mending-time we find them there.
I let my neighbor know beyond the hill;
And on a day we meet to walk the line
And set the wall between us once again.
We keep the wall between us as we go.
To each the boulders that have fallen to each.
And some are loaves and some so nearly balls
We have to use a spell to make them balance:
'Stay where you are until our backs are turned!'
We wear our fingers rough with handling them.
Oh, just another kind of out-door game,
One on a side. It comes to little more:
There where it is we do not need the wall:
He is all pine and I am apple orchard.
My apple trees will never get across
And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.
He only says, 'Good fences make good neighbors'.
Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder
If I could put a notion in his head:
'Why do they make good neighbors? Isn't it
Where there are cows?
But here there are no cows.
Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offence.
Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That wants it down.' I could say 'Elves' to him,
But it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather
He said it for himself. I see him there
Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top
In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.
He moves in darkness as it seems to me~
Not of woods only and the shade of trees.
He will not go behind his father's saying,
And he likes having thought of it so well
He says again, "Good fences make good neighbors.
My approach would be that as the possible occupant of this house you have a right to approach the impending problem and develop a solution. I would go over and speak to the owner about what you saw and that you are concerned. He may give you the "that dog is not mean" but you cant guarantee that, what you want to guarantee is the safety of your family. I'd take a look at the fence and see what kind of repairs are needed and neccessary to keep an adult pit bull off your property. Get an estimate for either materials if you plan to fix it or from a contractor as to what they would charge. Estimates are free 99.9% of the time.
Go over to visit the owner and talk to him about your concern. Present him with the understanding that you would like to either have the fence repaired and you're willing to split or assist with the cost of the repair. You can also have a copy of the law that states a roaming animal is illegal if not fenced in within your area. Be sure to let him know that while the owner may feel the dog is not a threat, the dog may not feel the same way. Let him know that while you may not want to have to resort to it, if the dog approaches your family you will not hesitate to shoot the dog as you have to view it as a threat from prior experience with the dog.
At that point you have identified the issue, a possible and amicable solution, and an action you will take if the animal continues to pose a threat. He may be alarmed by it, but he has been given an ultimatum you are willing to assist with the fence or your will take action to ensure the safety of your family.
You cover your bases on this, present yourself as a responsible and courteous neighbor to bring it up to him, and he will know you mean business at the same time.
Go over to visit the owner and talk to him about your concern. Present him with the understanding that you would like to either have the fence repaired and you're willing to split or assist with the cost of the repair. You can also have a copy of the law that states a roaming animal is illegal if not fenced in within your area. Be sure to let him know that while the owner may feel the dog is not a threat, the dog may not feel the same way. Let him know that while you may not want to have to resort to it, if the dog approaches your family you will not hesitate to shoot the dog as you have to view it as a threat from prior experience with the dog.
At that point you have identified the issue, a possible and amicable solution, and an action you will take if the animal continues to pose a threat. He may be alarmed by it, but he has been given an ultimatum you are willing to assist with the fence or your will take action to ensure the safety of your family.
You cover your bases on this, present yourself as a responsible and courteous neighbor to bring it up to him, and he will know you mean business at the same time.
ptschram
Well-known member
When unknown dogs come into my yard, I grab a leash and try to catch them so they can be taken home-I'll be you guys didn't expect that from me, did you?
Many dogs will take that sort of a stance when confronted by new people, it's a pretty natural response to a dog.
Neighbors are accidents of geography, I've heard it said, sometimes these accidents are more of an issue than others, look at my situation for example. I have gone out of my way to be nice to all of my neighbors yet some don't wanna be friendly. I stay away from them, they stay away from me-for the most part.
If you really want to move and this is a house you like, go meet the neighbor, don't say a word about the dog, just introduce yourself and see how it goes. Once you meet the owner and the dog if possible, you will have more information upon which to make your decision. I much prefer working from a position of knowledge rather than ignorance.
Lastly, let me guess, Estacada? Three acres inside the Urban Growth Boundary would be beyond the means of most teachers in PDX. I fell in love with Estacada when I was out there, and not just the Fearless Brewery! It was the only place with a reasonable commute where we could afford enough real estate to make it worthwhile.
Many dogs will take that sort of a stance when confronted by new people, it's a pretty natural response to a dog.
Neighbors are accidents of geography, I've heard it said, sometimes these accidents are more of an issue than others, look at my situation for example. I have gone out of my way to be nice to all of my neighbors yet some don't wanna be friendly. I stay away from them, they stay away from me-for the most part.
If you really want to move and this is a house you like, go meet the neighbor, don't say a word about the dog, just introduce yourself and see how it goes. Once you meet the owner and the dog if possible, you will have more information upon which to make your decision. I much prefer working from a position of knowledge rather than ignorance.
Lastly, let me guess, Estacada? Three acres inside the Urban Growth Boundary would be beyond the means of most teachers in PDX. I fell in love with Estacada when I was out there, and not just the Fearless Brewery! It was the only place with a reasonable commute where we could afford enough real estate to make it worthwhile.
My wife and i have had a similar problem with neighbor's dogs but they were not pitbulls. We had 5 labs come over to "play" with our chickens while we were at work. I come home and follow the feathers all the way back to the neighbor's house. I called animal control because i knew i had at least one dead chicken. He came out and did the samething: followed the trail of feathers. He then had a conversation with the lady that owned the dogs informing her that in our county, there is an ordinace that says your animals must stay on your property. He also explained to her that she would have to pay for any chickens that were killed. she tells him that her dogs were just playing with the dead chicken that was then laying on the front porch.
The chicken didnt just have a heart attack???!!! how the hell do you think it ended up on your front porch???!!
so anyway, i told her right there that if they came back i would shoot every single dog i saw. the officer explained to her that i had the right to do that to protect my livestock. the next day the lady came to my house, appoligized, brought me 6 baby chickens in a box and asked if i would give her a week to get a pen built for the dogs. I told her that i would be ok with that but if i saw a dog near the chickens i would still shoot them.
i would love to build a big fence but the fact of the matter is that I should not have to. There are laws in place for this sort of thing. What you need to do is find out what laws cover your area and find out what enforcement can be put in place.
The chicken didnt just have a heart attack???!!! how the hell do you think it ended up on your front porch???!!
so anyway, i told her right there that if they came back i would shoot every single dog i saw. the officer explained to her that i had the right to do that to protect my livestock. the next day the lady came to my house, appoligized, brought me 6 baby chickens in a box and asked if i would give her a week to get a pen built for the dogs. I told her that i would be ok with that but if i saw a dog near the chickens i would still shoot them.
i would love to build a big fence but the fact of the matter is that I should not have to. There are laws in place for this sort of thing. What you need to do is find out what laws cover your area and find out what enforcement can be put in place.
discostew said:
I agree of course - I was just being glib. I don't even think the dog should be shot unless it's really truly dangerous. Every dog is different, it may just be naughty and unruly, which is a far cry from dangerous. Only the neighbors will know for sure, and sadly one of them is selling their house, so you can't believe anything they say about it.
We've confirmed that the dog lives there. Which made me realize.... that deer decoy had been sitting out there next to the bales with targets on them for a long time, it was all covered with moss.... but it was not shot up -- the dog, having lived there for years, knew the decoy was there; I'm betting the dog had been trained to go after it. I'm betting the owners think it's funny when the dog chases deer off the property.
The owner of the house we are buying (we have earnest money, inspections, etc.... already done, my wife has already changed jobs, and our kids are already set for their new school) is now saying that he lets his dog (a lab that growls and barks a people) go play with the pit bull, and he claims it is a nice, friendly dog.
Yeah.
We are going to go talk to the old folks who live on the other side of these people to get an unbiased opinion. If that talk goes well, we will speak with the dog owner. If on the other hand, that talk points to more issues, we will pull from the deal -- and try to put our lives back together on this side of town.
PT -- not Estacada, but in that general direction. It is between Boring and Damascus, on one of the hills, view of Mt. Hood, and OUT OF MULTNOMAH COUNTY!
The owner of the house we are buying (we have earnest money, inspections, etc.... already done, my wife has already changed jobs, and our kids are already set for their new school) is now saying that he lets his dog (a lab that growls and barks a people) go play with the pit bull, and he claims it is a nice, friendly dog.
Yeah.
We are going to go talk to the old folks who live on the other side of these people to get an unbiased opinion. If that talk goes well, we will speak with the dog owner. If on the other hand, that talk points to more issues, we will pull from the deal -- and try to put our lives back together on this side of town.
PT -- not Estacada, but in that general direction. It is between Boring and Damascus, on one of the hills, view of Mt. Hood, and OUT OF MULTNOMAH COUNTY!
Tranquilize the dog remove the identifying tags and drop it off at a shelter across town and hope it isn't chipped.
For me I would just keep Scout, my 90 +lbs chow/malamute mix in the back yard when I'm out there, she will keep control of her territory. She also has a very good history of taking down aggressive dogs that move towards her family.
For me I would just keep Scout, my 90 +lbs chow/malamute mix in the back yard when I'm out there, she will keep control of her territory. She also has a very good history of taking down aggressive dogs that move towards her family.
ptschram
Well-known member
RBBailey said:
My lab barks at the folks he loves the most. When the UPS, Matco, Snap-On trucks show up, he goes nuts with the deepest, meanest sounding bark you can imagine.
Dogs that run deer usually gt shot pretty quick, if that's the case, just wait awhile, the folks out in that area have guns and know how to use them, just look at the spent casings on the turn-outs along the roads out in that area.
This may be a goo example of being prepared for peace while simultaneously being prepared for war-keep a gun handy, don't turn your back on the dog and watch your kids. Also, pit bulls were bred to be dog-aggressive, not necessarily people-aggressive. While you may be safe, watch out for your dog. Might be worthwhile to see about going in on a pair of invisible fences-they do make good neighbors (well, they could make good neighbors, I think it was too late for us).
I had a pit that could jump a 6' fence with no problem. She tore her acl and couldnt jump any more but I have no doubt that she couldnt just plow through the fence if she wanted. she was people friendly but animal agressive. she killed 2 of the neighbors cats that came into my yard and when their dog came into my yard she got him also, the neighbor jumped the fence and seperated them. I ended up puttingher down. I can live with the animals being killed but not the thought of a kid coming over the fence for a ball or toy. Talk to the neighbor if he is an ass then walk. no fence will make it safe. If you have to have the house then bait the the dog and put it down before your kids move in 3 acres is a lot of space to bury a dog. Max
ptschram
Well-known member
Blue said:
The problem is that once you've got the mortgage signed, it's yours and if it ends up being like Lakeview Terrace, you're screwed and then have to move again, or kill the neighbor. I'm just waiting for the old bat next door to die so I can live in peace.
Real estate is worse than buying shoes. You don't know if it's a good fit until a few days after purchase and by then it's too late.
It's easier to get rid of a nutty wife than a house with a bad neighbor. Cheaper too.