Why disarm a legally armed citizen?

[Dan Erickson]

Interesting Read.

I can see good points on either side of this, but MAN!!; some of the LEO's in this thread are a bit disturbing (especially CityCopDC).

I have to wonder if a few of them enforce the laws according to the actual LAW, or according to their own PERSONAL opinion.

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87148

And here is the thread that really started it all.

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85218

 

[slangel]

Interesting Read.

I can see good points on either side of this, but MAN!!; some of the LEO's in this thread are a bit disturbing (especially CityCopDC).

I have to wonder if a few of them enforce the laws according to the actual LAW, or according to their own PERSONAL opinion.

http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85218

I agree with you on the one cop - umm he is a bit different..........

 

[brianhoberg]

The threads for those forums, yeah..there are some quacks.
Regarding the issue of an officer's right to disarm a citizen with a CCW, I believe the polite and proper thing to do, is inform the officer that you have a CCW and that you currently have a loaded (or unloaded) firearm in the car. It is the officers discretion at that point whether he would like for you to step out of the car and hold on to it for your during the duration of the stop, or let you keep it and trust you. If the officer asks to retain it for the time you are pulled over, it is for both his safety so that he is assured of your intentions and in control of the situation, and for your own safety so that he does not react to a suspicion of your intent. Now, whether he throws someone acrss the hood or whatever, that is a totally different issue. Was there just cause? Was it abuse of power? Is it a power trip? There are a number of other factors at that point. But when it gets to that you are out of your vehicle, his dash cam is on, and it's beign filmed.
I've seen and heard of cases down here where that abuse of power has happened and the officer is quickly let go as the "bad apple", but they are few and far inbetween.
Just my two cents.
-Brian.

 

[post]

I kinda see where they're(LEO) coming from, it's about their safety first. I have a Idaho CCW and it's not required that you inform the officer that you have one, but I believe it shows up on their screen whether you have one or not when they run your DL, since it shares the same ID number.

It's not like they are confiscating it from you or violating your 4th ammendment right(illegal search and seisure), they are temporalily disarming you just in case the situation turns south, which I'm sure has happened. I would have a problem though if they started searching my vehicle w/o my consent or tryed to confiscate my firearm. they should probably use their judgement to determine if it's going to be necassary to disarm or not, yes I mean sterotyping and yes I've been sterotyped in my younger long haired days. just my .02 worth.

 

[az_max]

The threads for those forums, yeah..there are some quacks.
Regarding the issue of an officer's right to disarm a citizen with a CCW, I believe the polite and proper thing to do, is inform the officer that you have a CCW and that you currently have a loaded (or unloaded) firearm in the car. It is the officers discretion at that point whether he would like for you to step out of the car and hold on to it for your during the duration of the stop, or let you keep it and trust you. If the officer asks to retain it for the time you are pulled over, it is for both his safety so that he is assured of your intentions and in control of the situation, and for your own safety so that he does not react to a suspicion of your intent. Now, whether he throws someone acrss the hood or whatever, that is a totally different issue. Was there just cause? Was it abuse of power? Is it a power trip? There are a number of other factors at that point. But when it gets to that you are out of your vehicle, his dash cam is on, and it's beign filmed.
I've seen and heard of cases down here where that abuse of power has happened and the officer is quickly let go as the "bad apple", but they are few and far inbetween.
Just my two cents.
-Brian.

I hand officers my CCW on top of my license. I keep my hands on the wheel until they're at my window and asking for info (don't go digging around to find license/reg). My registration and Insurance is in a notebook in the back seat in the Rover, so I'd have to inform the officer where I need to reach and why. In my old trucks I would turn on the interior light at night as I had 5% (2.9 according to one dickhead cop) window tint on the back windows.
I've had one officer politely ask me for the weapon and left me in the car, another asked me to walk back and stand in front of his car. Chances are now that if I got pulled over close to home, I would know the officer so things would be more relaxed.

 

[slangel]

Oh I always inform them and voluntarily offer up my gun if I happen to have it with me. My stuff is in my center console and I always keep my hands on the wheel also until I can tell them where my stuff is.

 

[jhmover]

If I get pulled over, which is very seldom, I shut the car off and keep my hands on the wheel, if at night I turn on the dome light, too. Only being courteous, I doubt anyone likes walking up to a dark car with someone fidgeting around in it. Regardless of what you got pulled over for I'd rather let the officer know he's not about to get shot at or I'm not going to take off when he walks up to the window. No CCW so that's not a problem with me.

 

[ptschram]

LOL. When a Spillman is run, it instantly informs the officer of your status of having a CCW.

As for being disarmed, a policeman with far more authority than a traffic cop determined that I was allowed to carry a firearm, who is the traffic cop to take my gun away.

Every time this topic comes up with LEOs, I'm quick to point out to them that they should be more concerned with those who do not have CCW permits, than those who do.