I think I'm talking to some guy on the internet that I'll probably never meet. Are you going to beat me up?
D2 Head Gasket home repair, Version Feb 2011
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i think someone slipped you the green weenie! my HG's all in was 300... THKS will!seanmcd said:
The gasket kit is $185, so what did you spend the other $115 on, Corona?
Personally, and I don't care how anyone else works on they're own truck, if I pull the heads off at 100k miles I'm going to do a valve job, replace the seals, surface the heads and replace things like thermostat and coolant hoses. In my case I still had the original ignition harnesses so that was another expense. Machine shop was $250 so unless you know someone who does that kind of work for free I don't know how you get around it other than to just slap on new gaskets and throw all the old stuff back together as is.
Personally, and I don't care how anyone else works on they're own truck, if I pull the heads off at 100k miles I'm going to do a valve job, replace the seals, surface the heads and replace things like thermostat and coolant hoses. In my case I still had the original ignition harnesses so that was another expense. Machine shop was $250 so unless you know someone who does that kind of work for free I don't know how you get around it other than to just slap on new gaskets and throw all the old stuff back together as is.
jymmiejamz said:
lol, no of course I am not going to beat you up, more like seeing what your response would be, which was very predictible.
It does beg the question though, do you think you would have called me an idiot if I was not some guy on the internet? Would you have replied the same way? Or are you one of those people who have no respect for others and treat people differently when you have the internet to hide behind? Just a thought.
Moving on...... I admit that I am not a mechanic, and therefore do not know as much about prices and services as perhaps you do. That is why I started a thread asking for advice and such. Also note that the title of the thread is:
D2 Head Gasket home repair, Version Feb 2011
Emphasis on home, not professional shop repair, meaning I am doing it myself, just like alot of other people do who have other careers and such. Now I admit had I chosen a career in mechanics I would not need to ask advice on how to repair a leaky head gasket, I could just sit on the internet all day and make snide comments to amateurs about how badly they suck and are idiots because they overpaid for parts and services....
Alas I did not pursue mechanical repair, instead I wasted the last 25 years putting murderers, rapists, and meth cooks in prison, in addition to serving my country in 3 separate wars, instead of wrenching on my Land Rover. The choices we make.
However, back to your original point about me being an idiot and overspending for parts and machine work, let me address that.
I took the advice of people on this forum and purchased my gasket kit, head bolts, and plug wires from Will Tillery, who I believe is considered one of the best, most respected, and least expensive vendors around. Was that a mistake? Is that what makes me an idiot?
Or, is it because I paid $250 to have my cylinder heads rebuilt? That seems to me, based on many many posts on this site, to be a pretty good price. Was that what makes me an idiot?
How about the motor oil, filter, plugs, coolant? Advance auto parts has the best prices around, how can I save money over that?
You said that I should have been able to do this repair for a "couple hundred bucks..." So I should have paid about $100 for the gasket kit, head bolts, and plug wires, and then found a machine shop to do my heads for $100? Is that about right? A couple hundred buck job?
Sure dude, you're right. You are the Discoweb master, I will never be half as smart as you, and frankly I don't even feel worthy of someone of your stature posting in my pathetic thread. I should not have tried to repair my own truck, I should not have asked for advice, and I was way out of line to post up pictures of my experience trying this home repair.
I am not even worthy of your insults, so please stay the fuck out of my thread. Which by the way, I am 100% certain you will not do, you can't resist to come back and tell me off, put me in my place, and assert your mechanical dominance.
slowNstdy said:
I bought my gasket kit from the same place you did, Will Tillery. At least read the thread if you are going to come in and 'put me in my place' by telling me someone slipped me the green weenie.
WTF is that anyway? Slipped me the green weenie? You may want to get back in touch with your sexuality dude, no one says that stuff except you.
don't let them get you riled up, you did it yourself, it was cheaper than paying an asshole dealer, so be happy. jimmy always gets worked up when people do this shit because he is at a dealer and thinks they are the holy grail to rovers.
No need to get all worked up. I don't think the dealer is the holy grail, I think they generally get a bad rap, which a lot of times is deserved.
I was just saying it could be done a lot cheaper. You don't have to get the heads machined, however it will last a lot longer if you do. I'm sure Will has great prices on parts, but you also did some extra stuff that had nothing to do with your coolant leak. And just to be clear, I was saying either you spent more than necessary on parts, OR you were an idiot, not both. I'm only joking around, I'm sure you're relatively intelligent. There's no need to get all butt hurt if someone on the internet makes fun of you. If you want someone to give you a reach-around you should head over to Land Rovers Only.
I was just saying it could be done a lot cheaper. You don't have to get the heads machined, however it will last a lot longer if you do. I'm sure Will has great prices on parts, but you also did some extra stuff that had nothing to do with your coolant leak. And just to be clear, I was saying either you spent more than necessary on parts, OR you were an idiot, not both. I'm only joking around, I'm sure you're relatively intelligent. There's no need to get all butt hurt if someone on the internet makes fun of you. If you want someone to give you a reach-around you should head over to Land Rovers Only.
seanmcd said:
I was asking slowNstdy ($300 job) what he spent the extra $115 on. You did fine - $250 for machine shop is right, same as I paid. Those guys don't do charity work and no one should expect it of them. The rest of the parts are the same price, I don't care who you are and I am a mechanic.
The only way to do it cheaper is to do a simple R&R and slap all the old stuff back on as is.
jymmiejamz said:
reach around? hell Mike will personally show up at your house and do a lot more probably.
Blue said:
You can check the deck surface of the heads using a machinist's straight edge and a feeler gauge per the workshop manual, and if its not warped you don't have to machine them. Anyone can replace the valve seals themselves. At the dealership we always try to sell the machine work, but a lot of people don't do it, and the cars don't come back with leaky headgaskets... I know this isn't the case for most hobbyists, but head gaskets are an easy job that can be done in a day. The warranty time is only 8 hours for a car with SAI.
easy killer im not knocking you its just a saying..... like jymmiejamz was saying their was other things done that wasnt all related to coolant loose.... so yes 700 seemed high for DIY..... just busting your balls.... no need to get all hopped up! and green weenie is someone fucking you over.... a rottin' deal..... sexuality has nothing to do with it.....seanmcd said:
jymmiejamz said:
In my case I told the machinist to deck the heads if they needed it. You can see from these pictures that at least the left one definitely needed it, not due to warpage but due to slight erosion where the coolant leak was.
HG pics
Yes, anyone can replace the valve guide seals themselves, a valve spring compressor is $35. But with the head completely disassembled and 100,000 miles on it why not do the valves?
Again, in my case, this wasn't a quick and dirty emergency field repair. I could have continued to drive the truck for another six months topping off the coolant every other day. We've got two other cars so I've been working on this project since the week before Christmas and the cost - since I decided to replace all coolant hoses, thermostat, plugs, wires, air and oil filters is much higher than just slapping a couple of new gaskets on.
I mean it's YOUR truck, however you want to deal with it but I see no reason to give seanmcd any guff about what he spent, seems pretty much in line and for a non-mechanic I think he did a pretty darn good job.
kcabpilot said:
I'm not really giving him shit for that, my original comment was directed at the person that suggested that you should just let it leak, which prompted my statement saying it could be done for a couple hundred bucks.
Speaking of sealing that oil leak, why the fuck doesn't my local LR dealer stock LT230 output shaft seals? They didn't stock front axle nuts either. WTF?