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Paul Grant

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Tell me what Rush thinks? 99% of the people that claim they know what Rush thinks have no clue at all what Rush thinks. It's very amusing.

I know the last time I listened to Rush ruminate over the coming civil war in the US he clearly stated that I and people who thought like I did were a danger to the US and needed to be dealt with. I don't know precisely what he meant by that but by the tone of his voice, I don't think he wanted to throw me a party.
 

brian4d

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I know the last time I listened to Rush ruminate over the coming civil war in the US he clearly stated that I and people who thought like I did were a danger to the US and needed to be dealt with. I don't know precisely what he meant by that but by the tone of his voice, I don't think he wanted to throw me a party.

Not dealt with Paul. Understood and managed. Big difference.
 

Paul Grant

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I also listened to how he asserted I had no sense of US history. He said, in that particular episode, that my failure to learn about US history also posed a direct threat to America. Hmmm. It's always nice being told that you're a threat to the very existence of the USA.
 

brian4d

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I have no idea what your comment is supposed to mean. He NEVER said understood or managed.

That's what Rush means by dealt with.

Here I'll lay it out for you Paul. I ask you provide FBI stats that crime and homicide has gone up because of guns. You searched and found the opposite, as I said the US has a relatively low homicide rate per capita in contrast to gun ownership. In fact, a Texas town holds the lowest crime rate with the most guns per household. You then spun those stats saying Trump ran on high crime rates when he really ran on Chicago being the murder capitol of the US and Black on Black crime being absolutely out of control.

See, now I managed you by understanding your spin and deceit and controlled you by calling you out on your bullshit. See how that works?
 

Paul Grant

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/politics/donald-trump-murder-rate-fact-check/index.html

Watch the video and tell me he isn't saying that the murder rate is the highest it's been in 47 years? This was his claim during the campaign. He didn't say anything about Chicago. He said the murder rate in the USA was the highest it had been in 47 years.

I don't even know what you're talking about when you say I searched for FBI stats. You're clearly off your meds. Go back and read what I actually posted and stop trying to claim I am saying things I am not.
 

brian4d

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/politics/donald-trump-murder-rate-fact-check/index.html

Watch the video and tell me he isn't saying that the murder rate is the highest it's been in 47 years? This was his claim during the campaign. He didn't say anything about Chicago. He said the murder rate in the USA was the highest it had been in 47 years.

I don't even know what you're talking about when you say I searched for FBI stats. You're clearly off your meds. Go back and read what I actually posted and stop trying to claim I am saying things I am not.

You clearly tried to find something Paul and it didn't work out when you found the hill crime rate article. Were you surprised Paul? The big bad guns aren't as big and bad as you may have thought?


Either way I'm not on meds, just read between the lines. Rush is right about you bunch. The left media push their agenda hard enough soon Trump has secret meetings with the KGB, Kim Un is going to Nuke the US to oblivion and Trump is a raging racist. But hey, it's the liberal media, they all can't be full of shit right?

Off topic again. Paul, tell me again how taking law abiding citizens guns away during a major crisis is a good thing? Oh, and how about this for a mind fuck. I don't even know if the Governor of the US Virgin Islands is a Republican or Democrat. How can that be????
 

ERover82

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You do know that Law enforcement welcomes and even insist (in some cases I've heard) CCP, CHP holders carry whenever possible? Their opinion, the more good people on the streets with guns the better. Don't believe it? Ask an LEO today. The strategy wold be to hold together law and order until the big guns make it into town during a time of crisis.

Just look at Texas now compared to NOLA. Seriously, take a good hard look.

In adverse times good guys, dumb guys, and bad guys all become desperate guys.

It's extremely hard to show causation between gun ownership and crime rates either way. The data is very mixed, flawed, and open to interpretation.

I do believe this is the reasoning behind the current disarmament. Is it right? Whatever results in the least amount of total suffering is right in my book.
 

brian4d

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I do believe this is the reasoning behind the current disarmament. Is it right? Whatever results in the least amount of total suffering is right in my book.

Eric, I couldn't agree more. If I could wave a wand and all guns be gone I may just do that. It would be hard to give up the sport of it but if it saved lives so be it.
 

Paul Grant

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You clearly tried to find something Paul and it didn't work out when you found the hill crime rate article. Were you surprised Paul? The big bad guns aren't as big and bad as you may have thought?

My point was that crime, overall, is down, considerably in the US. That was the purpose of my link from The Hill. Are there issues in certain cities, undoubtedly. Meanwhile, NYC has been posting murder rates that are, per capita, as low as they've ever been.

However, my point was that Trump, throughout the campaign made the assertion that crime was up and that, as you could clearly see in the video I posted, that the murder rate was the highest it had been in 47 years.

We are not living in an age of unrestrained violence. Fear mongers like Trump would like for us to believe the world is coming unhinged but it's just not so.
 

brian4d

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My point was that crime, overall, is down, considerably in the US. That was the purpose of my link from The Hill. Are there issues in certain cities, undoubtedly. Meanwhile, NYC has been posting murder rates that are, per capita, as low as they've ever been.

However, my point was that Trump, throughout the campaign made the assertion that crime was up and that, as you could clearly see in the video I posted, that the murder rate was the highest it had been in 47 years.

We are not living in an age of unrestrained violence. Fear mongers like Trump would like for us to believe the world is coming unhinged but it's just not so.

There we go. I can relate with this. However, politicians have talking points. Some are mistakes some are lies. In this case I believe his fact quoting was a mistake. Now, Obama saying you can keep your Doctor and insurance was (in my opinion) a blatant lie. Let's call a spade a spade. Trump mis-spoke. Big Whoop. I listened to a lot of his Rallies on mom and pops youtube channels. I can tell you he spoke of Chicago crime, poverty and black on black crime a TON.

Now, Paul. If he did lie and I believed it I wouldn't care as much because it didn't directly effect me. Now, keep your doctors keep your insurance, well, you see where I'm going here. BTW, tomorrow all the info gets released about the Obamacare insurance rate increase for next year. Should be interesting.

I don't want this to go Trump. What about that Governor? Right move?
 

rovercanus

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It's not just guns and explosives, it's everything they deem useful they can seize. Food, water, clothing, medicine or anything they want pretty much. And let's be truthful, anything any government seizes is not going to be returned. They'll let you know what you need and what you can have.
"We're going to need those vehicles in your driveway for the greater good. Hand us the keys or we will take them."
 

Paul Grant

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All I know is when my wife and I went from our Anthem Blue Cross policy to Connecticare purchased through the ACA (no subsidies) not only did we retain all of our doctors but we saw a substantial drop in our premiums. It was the first time that ever happened in the 14 years we've been buying our own insurance. So, in the case of the ACA, we were very happy with the results.
 

kennith

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You honestly think you can defend yourself from tyrannical government with a a couple pistols and rifles? That may have worked in 1776, before the wide, potent, and high-tech array of weapons US forces have at their disposal. Small arms are a joke in comparison.

Yeah...

Try that bullshit line with people who've come back from overseas; cut down by assholes with a few guns and improvised explosive devices. There's a big difference between open warfare and maintaining order or simply the status quo in a conflict environment. When the objective isn't to flatten the enemy, it doesn't take much armament to stand in the way and cause headaches for decades.

So, suck it, dick-weed.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

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All I know is when my wife and I went from our Anthem Blue Cross policy to Connecticare purchased through the ACA (no subsidies) not only did we retain all of our doctors but we saw a substantial drop in our premiums.
I am happy for you, Paul.
Our premiums went up, substantially. Like doubled.
Since the total pool of money spent on healthcare increased, and ACA policy turned out cheaper than the others, it must have been paid for by someone else (me included).
Yet, since it was not a tax, it came out of our pre-tax income, so we also paid taxes on ACA policyholders' care.
Lovely.
 

brian4d

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All I know is when my wife and I went from our Anthem Blue Cross policy to Connecticare purchased through the ACA (no subsidies) not only did we retain all of our doctors but we saw a substantial drop in our premiums. It was the first time that ever happened in the 14 years we've been buying our own insurance. So, in the case of the ACA, we were very happy with the results.

Paul, that's great. Be sure to read about the rest of the hurting nation tomorrow. Trump did pull in the Democrats today I saw, maybe they can all come together for the greater good of our country and fix this crap, fix the taxes and the darn DACA kids. Time to work not fart around and take vacations.

Nothing on taking peoples property in the USVI? If not, that's cool. The Trump Thread is a few clicks away and it's a complete dumpster fire freak fest right now.
 

brian4d

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It's not just guns and explosives, it's everything they deem useful they can seize. Food, water, clothing, medicine or anything they want pretty much. And let's be truthful, anything any government seizes is not going to be returned. They'll let you know what you need and what you can have.
"We're going to need those vehicles in your driveway for the greater good. Hand us the keys or we will take them."

Kind of like taxes, you'll never see it again.

This makes sense. Let's take your guns so that we can take your truck! :patriot: