gun seizure?

[brian4d]

You honestly think you can defend yourself from tyrannical government with a a couple pistols and rifles? That may have worked in 1776, before the wide, potent, and high-tech array of weapons US forces have at their disposal. Small arms are a joke in comparison.

Who painted that scenario? Why did your head go there? Either way I'll bite. History has proven (again) Revolutions can and do work. There won't be one on American soil in our lifetimes, hell, a non military coup is more likely. We're civilized here. Back to the original point now, lets stay focused.

Natural Disaster = Government seizing your guns and ammo and c4.

 

[pinkytoe69]

You honestly think you can defend yourself from tyrannical government with a a couple pistols and rifles?

Well duh.

The ability to fire small arms at tanks and fighter jets is the only thing that truly keeps us free!

 

[brian4d]

Well guess were changing course.

So a Revolution against our government would never work? There are so many facets here to talk about but I'll just start with a few.

300 Million guns in America
The detterent aspect is just as powerful as the traveling bullet

To go a step further the naysayers of a Revolution would have to agree with complete and total Military compliance. Pilots doping bombs on American soil, Infantrymen rounding up families that kind of thing. Far fetched and un-civilized. It would never happen. The deterrent factor is what we're actually talking about in reality.

Hitler didn't collect the nations guns for fun, they stood in his way. And let's be honest, it worked.

 

[ERover82]

Natural Disaster = Government seizing your guns and ammo and c4 = apparently you need them for something (like defense from government tyranny, hunting, or self-defense). Pretty sure you wont be hunting in a hurricane, and you seem to be worried about historical examples of government tyranny and disarmament already.

I have a hard time imagining any modern revolutionary scenario where the cowboys don't get slaughtered by local law enforcement, federal law enforcement, or military. People watch too many movies.

 

[brian4d]

Natural Disaster = Government seizing your guns and ammo and c4 = apparently you need them for something (like defense from government tyranny, hunting, or self-defense). Pretty sure you wont be hunting in a hurricane, and you seem to be worried about historical examples of government tyranny and disarmament already.

I have a hard time imagining any modern revolutionary scenario where the cowboys don't get slaughtered by local law enforcement, federal law enforcement, or military. People watch too many movies.

Wow, and to think, I wasted time debating you about Trump.

Defense from Government would be the last thing I'd be worried during a natural disaster. Hell, the Government helps, FEMA Helps, Police Help, Government Helps. The Topic is, Should the Government Seize your guns and ammo before a Natural Disaster which may prove to be the one time in your entire life you actually may need your gun for defense. Have you ever witnessed a post Hurricane atmosphere? For Fucks sake, think I'm just going to stop trying.

 

[Paul Grant]

This is the problem Kennith, we'll never know will we? History has shown us when governments 'take' guns bad things happen, really, really bad things.

Yeah, like in Australia after the Port Arthur massacre. Australians were forced to give up their guns and the place went to shit with mass murders happening at least once a month. Oh, wait, the murder rate actually dropped by half.

And wasn't there that massacre in Dunblane, Scotland that forced a dramatic change in regulations for gun owners. Wow, that really led things to go off the charts in the UK. At least in terms of gun violence. It went off the charts at the low end. People gave up their guns and now the latest stats show less than 2% of violent crime in Scotland is committed with a gun. That's a significant drop.

Yup, give up your guns...lo and behold violent crime committed by them goes down. That's really, really bad????

 

[brian4d]

People gave up their guns and now the latest stats show less than 2% of violent crime in Scotland is committed with a gun. That's a significant drop.

Oh yea, they just all started using Bats and knives. Good one Paul. Keep your bats and knives up there in CT please.

Before you speak you should really, really look into the murder rate by capita in the latest FBI report. Contrast that to 300 million guns in this country.

 

[ERover82]

Should the Government Seize your guns and ammo before a Natural Disaster which may prove to be the one time in your entire life you actually may need your gun for defense.

I agree, the government should actually give out guns so ravaged desperate people can shoot eachother when the storm is done with them.

 

[brian4d]

I agree, the government should actually give out guns so ravaged desperate people can shoot eachother when the storm is done with them.

You'd change your mind and shit your pants if you were on the receiving end. Myself, I'll be making that decision thanks very much.

 

[Paul Grant]

Oh yea, they just all started using Bats and knives. Good one Paul. Keep your bats and knives up there in CT please.

Before you speak you should really, really look into the murder rate by capita in the latest FBI report. Contrast that to 300 million guns in this country.

All I have to do is read the comment section on articles like this one from the Daily Caller and it confirms for me that idiots read this shit. It's only rivalled by the nonsense in the comment sections on Breitbart and Infowars, pillars of journalistic integrity. Wow, what's your username in the comment sections Brian? I know Dweb can't be the only place you spread this garbage.

 

[ERover82]

Sure, one on one, I want the most effective weapon, but unfortunately that idea, when applied to a population, just leads to a small scale arms race. It leads to a situation where people are competing for food/water/shelter with guns instead of knives, and simply slaughtering each other more efficiently. Either way everyone looses so it doesn't matter. What does sway the matter is the perspective of law enforcement, where restoring order to a region is easier when the locals are armed with knives instead of guns.

 

[brian4d]

All I have to do is read the comment section on articles like this one from the Daily Caller and it confirms for me that idiots read this shit. It's only rivalled by the nonsense in the comment sections on Breitbart and Infowars, pillars of journalistic integrity. Wow, what's your username in the comment sections Brian? I know Dweb can't be the only place you spread this garbage.

You didn't have enough time to lookup those FBI stats Paul. Daily caller, Infowars, Mother Goose jones whatever. News is news. This did happen Paul, the order was signed. Don't run of crying just yet.

 

[brian4d]

Sure, one on one, I want the most effective weapon, but unfortunately that idea, when applied to a population, just leads to a small scale arms race. It leads to a situation where people are competing for food/water/shelter with guns instead of knives, and simply slaughtering each other more efficiently. Either way everyone looses so it doesn't matter. What does sway the matter is the perspective of law enforcement, where restoring order to a region is easier when the locals are armed with knives instead of guns.

You do know that Law enforcement welcomes and even insist (in some cases I've heard) CCP, CHP holders carry whenever possible? Their opinion, the more good people on the streets with guns the better. Don't believe it? Ask an LEO today. The strategy wold be to hold together law and order until the big guns make it into town during a time of crisis.

Just look at Texas now compared to NOLA. Seriously, take a good hard look.

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[garrett]

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[brian4d]

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That's clearly a Chinese ripoff, MAGA hats are Red. Again, how is everyone going back to Trump? You folks just can't resist. The feeble mind won't let you stray.

 

[garrett]

That's clearly a Chinese ripoff, MAGA hats are Red. Again, how is everyone going back to Trump? You folks just can't resist. The feeble mind won't let you stray.

He appealed to people freaking out over their guns getting taken from them. Remember when our Muslim brother Obama from Kenya was voted into office? People flipped the fuck out and went on a gun/ammo buying spree between commercials of Duck Dynasty and Here Comes Honey Boo Boo. I'm sure glad that's over - because it was close. It's the same fucktards that agree with Rush about the liberal conspiracy regarding the hurricanes. These are people with malnourished brains.

 

[brian4d]

He appealed to people freaking out over their guns getting taken from them. Remember when our Muslim brother Obama from Kenya was voted into office? People flipped the fuck out and went on a gun/ammo buying spree between commercials of Duck Dynasty and Here Comes Honey Boo Boo. I'm sure glad that's over - because it was close. It's the same fucktards that agree with Rush about the liberal conspiracy regarding the hurricanes. These are people with malnourished brains.

So Global Warming/Climate Change/whatever the hell it's called now did or did not cause all these Hurricanes?

Tell me what Rush thinks? 99% of the people that claim they know what Rush thinks have no clue at all what Rush thinks. It's very amusing.

Bottom line: Natural disaster hits the last thing your Governor should do is sign a bill taking the guns away from law abiding citizens. It's REALLY that simple.

 

[seventyfive]

it comes back to trump, for me, due to you listing dictators taking away guns. trump is the supreme leader right now, why is he allowing the national guard to disarm private citizens. the reason i asked you to list free societies with the constitutional right to bear arms. you actually turned this into trump.

i thought republicans believed in giving power back to the states? if something is unconstitutional the legislative branch should chime in.

water temperature rise does not create hurricanes, it just makes them stronger.

 

[brian4d]

Never saw this coming!

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...ns-us-virgin-island-firearm-confiscation-plan

 

[Paul Grant]

And on the same page:

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/34...d-to-have-second-lowest-crime-rate-since-1990

I thought we were in the midst of a dramatic increase in violence in America. Isn't that exactly what Trump was saying all throughout his campaign???? Second lowest crime rate since 1990.