Gun Control
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Maybe its the media's influence on the easily influenced.
Maybe its the internet social networks ability to polarize and indoctrinate people.
Maybe we as a nation are coming to a fork in the road where those of us who grew up with guns, trained with guns, are responsible gun owners, and believe in the intent of the 2nd Amendment are going to be grossly outnumbered by those who have a very different view on the subject.
One of my favorite quotes: Common sense is not a common virtue.
For me, discussing the issue with someone who has absolutely no idea what I am talking about and only falls back on an emotion based response due to the propaganda they have been subjected to is a waste of time. Its like arguing with a rock. These people, the "anti's", for the most part, didn't have the same life experiences that I did. They weren't taught how to shoot and to be responsible with a weapon by their father or grandfather, they didn't get trained in the military on weapons like i did. They dont have the same point of reference to refer to when it comes to the subject that I do. As our society becomes less rural, and more urbanized, i can see us falling away more and more from outdoor activities like shooting and hunting. Combined with what I consider a culture that glamorizes violence and the instant recognition that the media and internet gives someone now and I can see why we are where we are now.
I think we as a society are close to, if not already, fucked.
I have a few weapons. I don't carry concealed as I don't feel the need to. I do, however, feel that I have the right based off the 2nd Amendment to own what ever kind of weapon I want to, for no other reason other than I can. I don't feel the need to justify why I have what I have, and i don't feel the need to ask anyone else why they own what they own.
Humans are horrible creatures, and those who are really terrible are always going to find a way to kill who they want to kill. Regardless if we ban everything that goes boom.
My 2 cents worth, not that it matters.
Maybe its the internet social networks ability to polarize and indoctrinate people.
Maybe we as a nation are coming to a fork in the road where those of us who grew up with guns, trained with guns, are responsible gun owners, and believe in the intent of the 2nd Amendment are going to be grossly outnumbered by those who have a very different view on the subject.
One of my favorite quotes: Common sense is not a common virtue.
For me, discussing the issue with someone who has absolutely no idea what I am talking about and only falls back on an emotion based response due to the propaganda they have been subjected to is a waste of time. Its like arguing with a rock. These people, the "anti's", for the most part, didn't have the same life experiences that I did. They weren't taught how to shoot and to be responsible with a weapon by their father or grandfather, they didn't get trained in the military on weapons like i did. They dont have the same point of reference to refer to when it comes to the subject that I do. As our society becomes less rural, and more urbanized, i can see us falling away more and more from outdoor activities like shooting and hunting. Combined with what I consider a culture that glamorizes violence and the instant recognition that the media and internet gives someone now and I can see why we are where we are now.
I think we as a society are close to, if not already, fucked.
I have a few weapons. I don't carry concealed as I don't feel the need to. I do, however, feel that I have the right based off the 2nd Amendment to own what ever kind of weapon I want to, for no other reason other than I can. I don't feel the need to justify why I have what I have, and i don't feel the need to ask anyone else why they own what they own.
Humans are horrible creatures, and those who are really terrible are always going to find a way to kill who they want to kill. Regardless if we ban everything that goes boom.
My 2 cents worth, not that it matters.
By definition he was a criminal. He shot people. If he purchased the weapons with that intent his criminal act began at that point.
Btw, a driver does not become a drunk driver until they get behind the wheel impaired...
Which brings back the question, Do we now restrict people's access to things based on their theoretical intent? Can we only buy alcohol if we promise and sign a legal document stating our intention? Removes the liability from the seller or host?
Can we only purchase a weapon if we sign a release document stating our intention is NOT to murder?
Not being a smart ass just honestly asking.
No, i am pro 2nd amendment. I think the concept that eliminating classes of firearms will solve the problem is more stupid then believing criminalizing drugs has stopped that problem.
We dont have a bad gun problem, we have a bad people problem. I also find it a disconnect in logic that we do this to save the children is often the cry of the same people who are pro abortion.
Gunny,
Handling a firearm used to be necessity. Waaay back when, but it was a necessity. Hunting for food and protecting from whomever was trying to take over the country.
No different than it was common to teach your son and daughter how to cook, clean, fix shot around the house, etc.
our new found wealth has shifted our parenting from self sustainability to 'living'. We no longer feel the need to take care of our shit...yet still find the justification to possibly murder to defend it. It's interesting actually. A lot of people do not do what they love, they do whatever it takes to accumulate stuff. Once they accumulate stuff they pay others to maintain it. They do not pass down the old work ethics most of us have.
Then instead of pointing the finger/accountability to the poor parenting we find another way to justify the actions that put us in this predicament.
Anyways my point is people like you and I know a gun is designed to kill, we were raised around guns and were taught how to handle them, we used them in the military. Unfortunately handling a weapon has gone the way of mom or dad teaching us how to cook, clean, take care of the yard, fix shit in the house, etc.
Yes, people like my wife see a gun and their initial reaction is fear. They have never handled a weapon. I was raised to respect a gun because it's a tool designed to kill very efficiently. I guess it's the main reason I'm not much of an enthusiast.
Like you said, anti gun people will never change their mind. No different than politics. I'm right you're wrong. The problem is there are a lot of external forces NEEDING us to stay divided Fox News and bill Maher's bank accounts depend upon division.
Handling a firearm used to be necessity. Waaay back when, but it was a necessity. Hunting for food and protecting from whomever was trying to take over the country.
No different than it was common to teach your son and daughter how to cook, clean, fix shot around the house, etc.
our new found wealth has shifted our parenting from self sustainability to 'living'. We no longer feel the need to take care of our shit...yet still find the justification to possibly murder to defend it. It's interesting actually. A lot of people do not do what they love, they do whatever it takes to accumulate stuff. Once they accumulate stuff they pay others to maintain it. They do not pass down the old work ethics most of us have.
Then instead of pointing the finger/accountability to the poor parenting we find another way to justify the actions that put us in this predicament.
Anyways my point is people like you and I know a gun is designed to kill, we were raised around guns and were taught how to handle them, we used them in the military. Unfortunately handling a weapon has gone the way of mom or dad teaching us how to cook, clean, take care of the yard, fix shit in the house, etc.
Yes, people like my wife see a gun and their initial reaction is fear. They have never handled a weapon. I was raised to respect a gun because it's a tool designed to kill very efficiently. I guess it's the main reason I'm not much of an enthusiast.
Like you said, anti gun people will never change their mind. No different than politics. I'm right you're wrong. The problem is there are a lot of external forces NEEDING us to stay divided Fox News and bill Maher's bank accounts depend upon division.
Limiting a type of gun will not end school shootings. But like I have posted, a manual weapon would decrease the murder/second. I'd rather have someone come at me with a handful of manual weapons than 1 semi.
Like my navy days. We switched from .50 cal to minguns at flight deck general quarter stations. Why? You can kill a lot more people!!
also, manual gun without a magazine. If it's a manual loader with some tacticool magazine you're fucked.
5-7 rounds you have time to charge the fucker.
5-7 rounds you have time to charge the fucker.
Remember that 'socialist' Bernie sanders?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Vermont
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slat...ndependent_voted_against_gun_control_for.html
So it's not all libtards...just the ones who pander.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Vermont
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slat...ndependent_voted_against_gun_control_for.html
So it's not all libtards...just the ones who pander.
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atriot:
This popped up in the news today. Reminiscent of a certain class of lifestyle weapons.
https://www.motor1.com/news/235182/land-rover-defender-stretched-6x6/
https://www.motor1.com/news/235182/land-rover-defender-stretched-6x6/
