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terryjm1

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Did you have any DEF issues with your diesel? GM guys tell me they have it figured out. JLR sure doesn’t.
Not as of yet. However, I have had the “Poor Def quality, 1000 miles until speed limited to 55 MPH” message. Fortunately, for me it went away on its own after about 10 miles. Others haven’t been so lucky. I’m not sure at what mileage number but if you drive long enough with that message it reduces you to a max of 15mph. Other emissions systems faults also trigger that… known as limp mode. My tune eliminates limp mode.
 

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The paradox is that the car couldn't have been cool in the show when it was in production, but once the show was a hit the car couldn't be popular since it was out of production.
It wasn’t a bad vehicle. Kind of a Chevy venture van with weird body lines. I used to have a theory(back when I cared) that certain types of personality disorders are drawn to different car models. Buick made a little SUV that was basically the same platform as that Aztec. I told my boss I couldn’t remember meeting anybody who bought one on purpose that I actually liked. Explained to him my personality disorder thing. All while knowing his girlfriend just bought one. Good times
 
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Now tuned, I really like the Canyon. It gets over 30mpg on the interstate. I once got 36mpg on one 450 mile road trip. It also has a lot of power for a little diesel. My concern is all the high tech components, particularly emissions, that can and will go wrong. It recently has been having difficulty starting with cold weather in the morning. No error codes and it is fine over 40 degrees. Just today I put some anti-gel in the fuel but I have not in the 5 previous years needed to do that, even down to zero degrees. I thought maybe it is bad glow plugs, and it may be. However, I can’t find another single example of bad glow plugs in these trucks after posting to a few forums and Facebook groups.
 

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Not as of yet. However, I have had the “Poor Def quality, 1000 miles until speed limited to 55 MPH” message. Fortunately, for me it went away on its own after about 10 miles. Others haven’t been so lucky. I’m not sure at what mileage number but if you drive long enough with that message it reduces you to a max of 15mph. Other emissions systems faults also trigger that… known as limp mode. My tune eliminates limp mode.
I find that if you drive a rover v6 diesel over 65 mph the cat gets too hot to inject cow piss. It’s interesting that GM will limit the speed. I guess to cool down the cat?
 

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I find that if you drive a rover v6 diesel over 65 mph the cat gets too hot to inject cow piss. It’s interesting that GM will limit the speed. I guess to cool down the cat?
I dunno… my guess is that it is to force people to get it fixed.
 

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Now tuned, I really like the Canyon. It gets over 30mpg on the interstate. I once got 36mpg on one 450 mile road trip. It also has a lot of power for a little diesel. My concern is all the high tech components, particularly emissions, that can and will go wrong. It recently has been having difficulty starting with cold weather in the morning. No error codes and it is fine over 40 degrees. Just today I put some anti-gel in the fuel but I have not in the 5 previous years needed to do that, even down to zero degrees. I thought maybe it is bad glow plugs, and it may be. However, I can’t find another single example of bad glow plugs in these trucks after posting to a few forums and Facebook groups.
I would worry about contaminated or poor quality fuel. On JLR’s little 4 cylinder diesel needing a high pressure pump and 4 injectors would total the car. Like more than 20 grand with labor
 

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I would worry about contaminated or poor quality fuel. On JLR’s little 4 cylinder diesel needing a high pressure pump and 4 injectors would total the car. Like more than 20 grand with labor
The Canyon has 2 fuel filters that do a really good job as far as I can tell. I have heard of the high pressure pump failing and sending metal shards into the injectors which then stick open causing a hole in the piston that then comes apart and destroys the engine. Makes me miss the old Bosch L-Jetronic system that was extremely reliable and used on many different foreign made vehicles. My Triumphs used it. When I went to a self service yard I would pull parts from BMWs, Volkswagens, Fiats, and others I can’t recall. Datsun 280s used Nippondenso stuff but you could use them in place of the Bosch stuff in many cases. Seems it was so good the Japanese essentially copied it. On a related note, I had a an MGB short block on the work bench next to a Datsun 4 cylinder of the same displacement. It was incredible how similar they were. I believe they took the MGB block and improved it.
 

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“Toyota knows this is being done and so far doesn't have a problem with it.”

GM has a very different stance on this. They check the ECU log for major repairs. I was told the dealers have to do this and give it to GM before major warranty work is approved.
As I mentioned in an earlier comment a guy on TW posted his dealership offered tunes. As I also mentioned earlier they use the stock file so it will only show up as a ECU reset. Same as disconnecting the battery cable.
 

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The Canyon has 2 fuel filters that do a really good job as far as I can tell. I have heard of the high pressure pump failing and sending metal shards into the injectors which then stick open causing a hole in the piston that then comes apart and destroys the engine. Makes me miss the old Bosch L-Jetronic system that was extremely reliable and used on many different foreign made vehicles. My Triumphs used it. When I went to a self service yard I would pull parts from BMWs, Volkswagens, Fiats, and others I can’t recall. Datsun 280s used Nippondenso stuff but you could use them in place of the Bosch stuff in many cases. Seems it was so good the Japanese essentially copied it. On a related note, I had a an MGB short block on the work bench next to a Datsun 4 cylinder of the same displacement. It was incredible how similar they were. I believe they took the MGB block and improved it.
When I was in my 20’s I worked on all the GM diesels. Could reseal the Rosa-master pumps Olds ran in the 5.7. Then the bigger turbo diesels in 1 ton trucks. We called them percolators and marble grinders. People hated them. Then the common rail technology made them drive really nice. But NOx levels in the exhaust went thru the roof. NOx has been determined to be the most harmful to our health of all the exhaust gasses. So then someone figured out that injecting ammonia into the cat will reduce or eliminate it. So now the common rail diesel has 2 strikes against it. Cost of repairs and a system to haul cow piss for injection into the cat. No thanks
 

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As I mentioned in an earlier comment a guy on TW posted his dealership offered tunes. As I also mentioned earlier they use the stock file so it will only show up as a ECU reset. Same as disconnecting the battery cable.
No it don’t work like that. Calibration files have ID#’s and get checked constantly. Another computer might even store a fault it don’t like the new shift pattern. You go on with your bad self Toyota guy.
 

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Don’t you worry . You’re probably just a couple modifications away from owning a totally undrivable piece of shit. Don’t sell yourself short, I know you got this.
I understand that at some point I posted something that triggered you. It's obvious you hold a grudge and are vindictive. That said what purpose does this serve?
 

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”But NOx levels in the exhaust went thru the roof.”

I believe the EGR helps with that (reduces combustion temps) as well but fills the intake and intercooler with sludge. Very common for non-epa compliant tunes to turn off the EGR.

The tune company I used formerly sold tunes that turned off the EGR and Def system. They got hammered by the EPA, I believe in 2018 or 2019, and now only supply compliant tunes. By the way, the EPA requires the trans tune and engine tune to be certified together. You can’t buy just one or the other and be epa compliant. Almost all the US based tune companies shut down when the EPA decided to crack down, leveling big fines. (I guess they needed something to do after they lost their Defender import battle.) Some of the tune companies relocated to Canada, most disappeared. Folks that used their tunes and now need help are SOL. The tune company I used paid the fine and then paid to get their tune certified. They have great customer service as well.

Just before they got gigged they offered a tune that turned off the EGR but left the DEF system active. Their compliant tune still uses DEF but “greatly” reduces EGR function.
 
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No it’s the constant drip of stupid shit. Kind of a cumulative thing.

I've said it before, the fact that you engage in a toxic presence here and actively try to run off members leaves no doubt that the only reason you are tolerated is because you are a tech. On any other forum, under any other circumstances, the bat shit crazy conduct you choose to engage in would get you band.
 

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By the way, I would definitely tune a Toyota or any vehicle if it improves performance, reliability (see my torque converter example) and at least doesn’t harm fuel economy but not if it has any chance of voiding any aspect of the warranty. Next time, I will likely buy a used and just outside warranty coverage vehicle, maybe a Toyota, and then tune it. Ideally it will be EPA compliant as well.

My elderly neighbor has a mint condition 2017 Tundra he only occasionally drives. I have been thinking of asking him if he wants to sell it.
 

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I really don’t want to get into the middle of the discourse. However, having met and done some trading with him, underneath his sometimes unfiltered salty demeanor, Stew/Skip is a pretty good guy. He can be a bit of a ball buster. Every forum has at least one Stew/Skip. Defendersource has at least a few. Wow did I get the ball busting treatment there. I brought up it was good idea to check and if needed get the top of short block milled if a person was having repeated head gasket failures. I was called every name for moron you can imagine. Particularly on old British vehicles I have seen the head bolt holes mushroom (pre torque to yield days) causing repeated head gasket failures. According to a few people there, 300tdi engines don’t do that. I dunno… oh well.
 
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By the way, I would definitely tune a Toyota or any vehicle if it improves performance, reliability (see my torque converter example) and at least doesn’t harm fuel economy but not if it has any chance of voiding any aspect of the warranty. Next time, I will likely buy a used and just outside warranty coverage vehicle, maybe a Toyota, and then tune it. Ideally it will be EPA compliant as well.

My elderly neighbor has a mint condition 2017 Tundra he only occasionally drives. I have been thinking of asking him if he wants to sell it.
Like I've said, I looked over and over and have found not one instance where warranty was denied due to a tune. That's not to imply it hasn't happened, but nobody has posted about in on the internet that I, nor anyone else, has found. I can show you post where tunes are shown to be EPA complaint. It is a very popular mod in the Toyota community. Having done it it's easy to see why.
 

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That will net you zero LR points. Just sayin'
My LRs will always outnumber any other make model I own. The GMC and or possible Toyota get the grunt work. The LRs and Triumphs have a much more fun and enjoyable life. They are treated like royalty. The others are commoners.