So I bought a 2023 Tacoma

discostew

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The 8 speed Silverados all have ongoing trans issues but they seem to have sorted it out with the 10 speed.

2500s are usually devoid of all the weird issues, besides diesel stuff.
I wouldn't own a common rail diesel. They run great but super expensive to fix. Even before DEF fluid I wouldn't have wanted one. Whoever thought injecting cow piss into a catalitic converter was a good idea neeeds to rethink all that stuff.
 

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So does anybody know if you can get a silverado with a standard trans?

I am also a fan of rowing gears, so I've been on the lookout for what's available since the turn of the century.

Because when that's when the full pussification of the American driving experience really went into effect, the pickings for anything that's not a car are very slim.

I don't think you've been able to get a standard shift in anything full size unless you go with the heavy duty 250/2500 and up since the mid 2000s.

Looks like for anything close to this decade you have to go Ram...

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that explains a lot actually. I’ve been looking and found nothing on chevy’s website.
I like my stickshift Cruze. I’ve had no problems in 240,000 miles and still on the original clutch.
 

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At least you're looking for a truck!

The list of AWD manual REAL SUVs sold in the US since the turn of the century are:

- 5 cylinder H2
- first gen Cayenne GTS
- first gen. X5
- Second gen CRV

You can count the Tiguan and first gen X3 if you consider that an SUV.

Other than that, it's a bunch of Korean crossover crap.

For a 4WD SUV, the only option is the Xterra, which isn't too bad, so there is at least that.

If anyone knows of anything I missed, I am all ears!

Note: I have a 6-speed manual X5 and it's awesome. The only problem is it only came in the six cylinder, I.e. it's super underpowered, so I'm musing about eventually putting in a $4,000 turbo kit into a $2,000 car... This is what happens when people have no options 😄
 

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I’m surprised Toyota doesn’t offer it in the Taco. Are those any good? My electrician drives nothing but. Now he’s got one with an auto trans and the converters noisy.
I told him it was the converter but he should ask a yota mechanic. So he took it to a dealer and the dipshit said it was the front pump. More accurately he said” we don’t see this noise often but it’s the pump” pumps are different and they make noise when the trucks running. Converters make noise when you put it in gear. Pretty basic
 

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Dual clutch transmissions are the future in my opinion. I'm bias but man do I love them. IF they aren't already doing it here in the states, I'd love to see how a truck would handle it on a bigger scale. I deal with a lot of PDK stuff where I work.
 

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Yeah you don’t want to get any aftermarket tunes until your warranty expires. Lots of 8 speed transfers seem busy to someone who’s not used to them.
Toyota will tell you to go fuck yourself. You give any manufacturer a way out or someone to blame and they won’t pay.
Well let's hope that doesn't happen. I did look at the warranty issue and after reading numerous threads, articles and questions I found no one, nor did I find anyone who had heard of anyone getting warranty denied over a tune. The man who did the tuning said they use the stock file so, and I read this more than a few times, all they can see is the ECU has been reset. Now that said, if they drive the truck with the "sport pedal" tune I used they will know something has been changed right away, it's that much of a difference. In fact when I get back from Texas I'm going to have him load the "stock" pedal because wearing work boots it's hard to feel the gas pedal and it's just to touchy.
 

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Do all these gears have a performance benefit or is it all about fuel efficiency?
I can assure you in the Tacoma it had no performance benefit, just the opposite. People said it would get better but after 3k miles it still was constantly hunting for the right gear.
 

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Sounds like a Toyota Tacoma is kind of a piece of shit.
Off the showroom floor, I guess one could make that argument. After this tune not so much. I live in the country, so on the way home I got into it a little bit off a stop sign and holy crap what a difference. I agree with what someone else said earlier, one can't build a company into what Toyota has and be that incompetent. It has to be an EPA thing.
 

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Most of the Chevy/GM trans issues are with the 8 speed. The 6 speed has had issues but not nearly as much as the 8 speed. The odd thing is these are not new design transmissions. They have been using them for decades. On my diesel, the torque flaring was awful with the stock tune. I believe, at least with diesels, it is programmed that way to reduce soot.

Yep, this will be my last diesel and last GM product. I also foolishly bought one of the last Pontiacs made. It was a hunk of junk. It broke down on a long road trip leaving us stranded. The alternator and the AC compressor crapped out, at the same time. The dealer couldn’t get an alternator and didn’t want to get one outside their network. I had it towed to an independent shop who was able to get the alternator. $1500 later the alternator was replaced. Driving away I realized the AC wasn’t working. I took it back to the shop. Their response, “Oh yeah, the compressor is locked up so we just left the belt off.” As we had an 1100 mile trip ahead of us in August I decided to try the dealer again for the AC repair. $1800 later we had AC. The car was 3 years old with 40,000 miles.

I was a union member for 20 years and my Dad was for 40 years. I have tried to buy American made stuff as that is what a good Union guy is supposed to do. Im not blaming the guys who assembled them as all my problems were and have been component or programming related, not poor assembly issues.
 

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Off the showroom floor, I guess one could make that argument. After this tune not so much. I live in the country, so on the way home I got into it a little bit off a stop sign and holy crap what a difference. I agree with what someone else said earlier, one can't build a company into what Toyota has and be that incompetent. It has to be an EPA thing.
Don’t you worry . You’re probably just a couple modifications away from owning a totally undrivable piece of shit. Don’t sell yourself short, I know you got this.
 

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I also foolishly bought one of the last Pontiacs made. It was a hunk of junk.

Let us not forget this gem of American automotive engineering. Its reputation as a cultural icon will live on long after the last production model has rusted into the earth.

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Most of the Chevy/GM trans issues are with the 8 speed. The 6 speed has had issues but not nearly as much as the 8 speed. The odd thing is these are not new design transmissions. They have been using them for decades. On my diesel, the torque flaring was awful with the stock tune. I believe, at least with diesels, it is programmed that way to reduce soot.

Yep, this will be my last diesel and last GM product. I also foolishly bought one of the last Pontiacs made. It was a hunk of junk. It broke down on a long road trip leaving us stranded. The alternator and the AC compressor crapped out, at the same time. The dealer couldn’t get an alternator and didn’t want to get one outside their network. I had it towed to an independent shop who was able to get the alternator. $1500 later the alternator was replaced. Driving away I realized the AC wasn’t working. I took it back to the shop. Their response, “Oh yeah, the compressor is locked up so we just left the belt off.” As we had an 1100 mile trip ahead of us in August I decided to try the dealer again for the AC repair. $1800 later we had AC. The car was 3 years old with 40,000 miles.

I was a union member for 20 years and my Dad was for 40 years. I have tried to buy American made stuff as that is what a good Union guy is supposed to do. Im not blaming the guys who assembled them as all my problems were and have been component or programming related, not poor assembly issues.
Did you have any DEF issues with your diesel? GM guys tell me they have it figured out. JLR sure doesn’t.
 

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Don’t you worry . You’re probably just a couple modifications away from owning a totally undrivable piece of shit. Don’t sell yourself short, I know you got this.

Light bars and rooftop tent were already mentioned. Why stop there? The overland bro cliche would be incomplete without Max Trax and Rotopax. I'm sure I'm forgetting a few other standard issue requirements. Help me out here, folks.
 

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“Toyota knows this is being done and so far doesn't have a problem with it.”

GM has a very different stance on this. They check the ECU log for major repairs. I was told the dealers have to do this and give it to GM before major warranty work is approved.
 
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Light bars and rooftop tent were already mentioned. Why stop there? The overland bro cliche would be incomplete without Max Trax and Rotopax. I'm sure I'm forgetting a few other standard issue requirements. Help me out here, folks.
LED light bars are great. Get lots of them. I mean lots of them. Get those little mirrors that stick on the side view mirror.
 

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That car got popular after it was in Breaking Bad.
The paradox is that the car couldn't have been cool in the show when it was in production, but once the show was a hit the car couldn't be popular since it was out of production.