2020 Defender

fishEH

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How many side mirrors have you ripped off on trees?
3. Passenger side every time. Northern WI.

You going to hate on the inflatable tent option, too?
This? https://www.motor1.com/features/370039/land-rover-defender-features-options/4354539/
Absolutely. All day, every day. Gay. $1000 for an inflatable awning? LOL Maybe then I could justify the $760 air compressor. :ROFLMAO:

Ever seen an SD rack take a hit? I've seen over a hundred, on solid concrete, within a matter of minutes, hard enough to squat the vehicle on every impact. I've got a few scratches and a subtle dip in one spot. That's all; and they had sense enough to build it to eventually give a bit before it's attachment location, and I can easily pick the whole thing up with one finger.
Yes, they bend. I've seen at least a half dozen locally with severe bends in the top horizontal tube. One finger, you say? You sure do have some good grip strength there, Kenny. ;)

Stick that in your DOM RockStar tube and smoke it.
IDK, I was pretty happy to have my DOM RockStar tube this day. Saved me from squashing the entire passenger roofline(note the mud on the rack from the bank), but it couldn't save the cargo glass. :(

The problem is they are trying WAY too hard, and it shows. The car, on its own merits, isn't terrible. As a Defender, its awful. The new Defender styling is a flop, and LR is trying SO hard to make it "cool" despite that. Ill designed side ladders and saddle bags just prove that.
 

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kennith

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3. Passenger side every time. Northern WI.


This? https://www.motor1.com/features/370039/land-rover-defender-features-options/4354539/
Absolutely. All day, every day. Gay. $1000 for an inflatable awning? LOL Maybe then I could justify the $760 air compressor. :ROFLMAO:


Yes, they bend. I've seen at least a half dozen locally with severe bends in the top horizontal tube. One finger, you say? You sure do have some good grip strength there, Kenny. ;)


IDK, I was pretty happy to have my DOM RockStar tube this day. Saved me from squashing the entire passenger roofline(note the mud on the rack from the bank), but it couldn't save the cargo glass. :(

The problem is they are trying WAY too hard, and it shows. The car, on its own merits, isn't terrible. As a Defender, its awful. The new Defender styling is a flop, and LR is trying SO hard to make it "cool" despite that. Ill designed side ladders and saddle bags just prove that.

Ignore the stuff, then. Land Rover is simply misinterpreting what they should be pimping, again, but they do get points for trying to inspire people. Yes, they've taken it a bit far, but the whole launch was botched. Right now, image searches should be flooded with promotional photography in final trim, but they're not. They lost control several years ago and failed to regain it. They are not delivering their own narrative...

Actually, it's still hard to find a bunch of solid pictures of the D5 interior, because that damned Sport stole it's thunder. They have the worst possible brand for this modern age. They didn't stop to think that media is a long game. You need to be prepping for media deployment well in advance of launch. You have to control what shows up and what doesn't, and be sure that when you do open the gates, it's an absolute flood of media that was already crawled.

Whoever thought it was a good idea to get a pro photographer out there to try to replicate social media angles in every single picture was an idiot. All of them. Every last one has been taken as if someone stepped out to snap a shot for Instagram; and the angles are making it look like a riced out Honda.

I actually like the styling, minus the body color A pillars and black stripes on the ass. A little bit of paint will cure that, but I think there is one picture that shows Land Rover actually did know what they were doing with their industrial design:

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That's essentially an "overland greatest hits" style album, right there. I can see it: Mitsubishi, Land Rover, Toyota, Nissan, International, Ford... It's all in there. They did actually put some brains on that sketch pad. Pretend that thing on the window isn't there. I edited it out, but forgot to save the file.

I want you to try something. Close your eyes, and think "Pajero" as hard as you can, and then open them and look at the above picture. Do the same with all the off-pavement Icons except Jeep. There's not a drop of Jeep in that design, and that was obviously deliberate considering how thoroughly they swept everyone else's history.

It's like they took the idea of what "adventurous vehicles" historically look like and then wrapped it in Defender vinyl with a sprinkling of retro dust. :ROFLMAO:

On your rack: I forgot what those Rockstar offerings looked like. It was fun when several smaller companies were briefly trying to duke it out for an SD alternative. I do actually have good grip strength, but you can pick up an SD rack as well, though; just as easily as me. They're pretty light with nothing on them. I'd considered trying to make something before I got my hands on one that wasn't installed.

As soon as I picked it up I decided to find something else to do. It wasn't worth the trouble on a small scale, in steel, at least. The only way to improve it is to sell it and call Hannibal. We use the SD racks because they look cooler, not because it's the most logical option. If you're going to have a full steel basket up there, though, it's hard to do better than what the factory arranged in that particular instance.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

kennith

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3. Passenger side every time. Northern WI.

Well, I can't say I've ever done it. I've scratched them and damaged the detent in the passenger side, but it wasn't a "dimensional mishap". I made a choice to sacrifice the mirror and a few other bits. It stayed on there, though, and a touch of black duct tape shoved in the gap held it in place for two years before I bothered to replace the thing.

If it's a problem for you, that's a valid concern. Doesn't seem to be an issue for me, but for all I know you just take a hell of a lot more right turns than I do.

For me, it's nice to have external storage I can reach. I've strapped a lot of stuff to bumpers and hoods in my time for easy access. Gear in, gear out. All day long, or all at once without warning. Quick access has been worth it's weight in gold, for me. I've always wanted a little box behind one of those rear windows, such that the whole piece of glass opens for access.

Why didn't I do it? Visibility and a fear of leaks. :ROFLMAO:

I'm thinking there's a heck of a lot of C pillar behind that optional painted square, though. If that's the case; if it's as bad as say, the 4Runner, you're not missing much by covering that window. Haven't been in a D5 yet, but they look pretty terrible in regard to rear visibility in pictures.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

ERover82

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I'd be more interested in a body cavity installed lock box like the MOD 110s have, or the aftermarket wing boxes. Make use of empty space, instead of adding more bulk. Their solution is better than nothing, but I couldn't use one here.
 

Lake_Bueller

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I find the SD rack on my D2 to be very useful. I've hauled lumber, jerry cans, spare parts, camping gear, etc, etc, etc. But I have to agree with fish regarding the "saddlebag" and ladder locations. I gear holder on the rear would make much more sense. And how is anybody supposed to access that ladder??? The first rung is about 4' off the ground!! At least on the Disco, you can step on the bumper and then the ladder.

Overall, the design is starting to grow on me. I'm withholding final judgement until I get to see one in person.
 

kennith

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I'd be more interested in a body cavity installed lock box like the MOD 110s have, or the aftermarket wing boxes. Make use of empty space, instead of adding more bulk. Their solution is better than nothing, but I couldn't use one here.

That would be even better, but few offer such things. The closest on the market are the Ridgeline trunk and the Dodge Rambox option package. I think Nissan has some manner of hidden storage in their beds. Someone else does, anyway; but that's all that's out there, in that regard.

I'm wondering if there are IP issues related to those things. Someone must have patented something. I don't understand why it's not done more often otherwise.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

kennith

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And how is anybody supposed to access that ladder??? The first rung is about 4' off the ground!! At least on the Disco, you can step on the bumper and then the ladder.

Overall, the design is starting to grow on me. I'm withholding final judgement until I get to see one in person.

Seriously? You step on the tire, man. Come on. Put the bong down. :ROFLMAO:

Cheers,

Kennith
 

CORover

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I find the SD rack on my D2 to be very useful. I've hauled lumber, jerry cans, spare parts, camping gear, etc, etc, etc. But I have to agree with fish regarding the "saddlebag" and ladder locations. I gear holder on the rear would make much more sense. And how is anybody supposed to access that ladder??? The first rung is about 4' off the ground!! At least on the Disco, you can step on the bumper and then the ladder.
The ladder folds out and then drops down. I think I saw it in one of the stupid and repetitive Pack videos...
 

kennith

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The ladder folds out and then drops down. I think I saw it in one of the stupid and repetitive Pack videos...

That's a bit over-engineered when a perfectly good tire is just below it.

Maybe the lawyers just don't want Land Rover encouraging people to step on tires.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

CORover

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That's a bit over-engineered when a perfectly good tire is just below it.

Maybe the lawyers just don't want Land Rover encouraging people to step on tires.

Cheers,

Kennith
That's my go to move, I use that more than the ladder! Except if I am actually getting on the roof.
 

kennith

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That's my go to move, I use that more than the ladder! Except if I am actually getting on the roof.

Grab the rail, step on the tire, and on a DII, step on a rear door handle to allow climbing up there. It'll hold. With a rack installed, the whole side of the vehicle is kind of like a ladder. I've been doing it for years, and so have my co-drivers and winch monkeys when they were used. Works like a charm. (y)

I don't suppose that's possible on a D1, though.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

ERover82

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So gimmicky. It's not a Build-a-bear, it's a damned Defender!!

That falls under the "smart to offer, stupid to buy" category. Accessories and options are where the profit is at. They're not intended for you. They're intended for a niche.

It's really no different than these "bespoke" classic Defenders, which I'm sure they took notice of.

Is it my thing? No way.
 

kennith

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So gimmicky. It's not a Build-a-bear, it's a damned Defender!!

I disagree.

You've got two extra circuits wired into the cabin from the factory that you can use for anything you like, and non-personalized illuminated plates are usually around $250-$300. I'll pay that to have that wiring, as well as the switches that set it off without having to do it myself.

Cheers,

Kennith
 
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