2020 Defender

discostew

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I kind of think that people who get jobs writing reviews about vehicles are just journalists who like cars. People who consider themselves experts because they know more about cars than the other dorks around them. You talk to my 22 year old son and you will be convinced he knows something about cars. But he doesn't, he just watched me leave for work every day and heard me bitch about my day when I got home. So does he have 22 years experience?
Most auto reviews suck so bad I can't get all the way to the end of them. Don't even get me started on consumer reports. They will write that cars have bad cooling systems because the a/c didn't blow cold. And then the sheeple go buy something else.
 

kennith

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They usually start selling new models in Europe first. Maybe its all hands on deck for the roll out over there. I know you can only start ordering 110's now. As soon as you can spec out and order a 90 I'm going to do it. I guess after I see and fix a couple I could change my mind. The only 2 upgrades I'm interested in are the straight 6 and air suspension. Adaptive cruise is pretty bad ass, but I think people are going to get used to having it and drive over cars in front of them when driving regular cruise. I've already found myself closing in fast on cars after I get back in my car after driving cars with the system.
I'm a little worried about that electric motor fanciness in the engine. I mean, you can build them that tough, but did they?

It's probably a really fun engine, but that does concern me in regard to ten years down the road.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

discostew

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The electric supercharger on the in line 6 just gets activated to fill during turbo lag. It's a turbo charged engine. It uses the same valve train as the 4 cyl. It makes a lot of power. The valve is opened by the cam mechanically. So the point of opening and the lift are whatever the cam profile is. After that the valve is held open for whatever duration the PCM commands. There have been no problems with that system that I am aware of.
 
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kennith

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The electric supercharger on the in line 6 just gets activated to fill during turbo lag. It's a turbo charged engine. It uses the same valve train as the 4 cyl. It makes a lot of power. The valve is opened by the cam mechanically. So the point of opening and the lift are whatever the cam profile is. After that the valve is held open for whatever duration the PCM commands. There have been no problems with that system that I am aware of.
So, aside from any computer intervention, if it breaks the vehicle will still run?

Cheers,

Kennith
 

discostew

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So, aside from any computer intervention, if it breaks the vehicle will still run?

Cheers,

Kennith
You own a Disco2 and your concerned about this? I guess we will find out what makes them not run. In the old days I would already know what would make them quit running. Like in the case of the Disco2, most of them didn't make it 1500 miles before they emptied the cooling system.
 

kennith

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You own a Disco2 and your concerned about this? I guess we will find out what makes them not run. In the old days I would already know what would make them quit running. Like in the case of the Disco2, most of them didn't make it 1500 miles before they emptied the cooling system.
Even if that happens, it will still run, and I didn't have a single issue until a hose failed during a test drive after service. Directly after and a few years later after my own recovery, it fired right up with a new battery and I've been driving it ever since; both before and after replacing the gaskets. I'm still keeping a coolant bottle in the back, but it'll be fine once I drop better liners in there this coming year. A DII can take a fuck-load of a beating.

It takes a hell of a lot just to put one into limp mode.

If an electric motor is mechanically locked to another rotating assembly and/or required by a computer system to function in order to drive, that'a a different story entirely. I don't really care where else they put them, but if it's on the engine and computer controlled, it's a concern.

You can drive a DII with blown head gaskets, a slipped liner, low coolant, malfunctioning ABS, multiple miss-fires, whiskey and diesel mixed in the gas tank, and unplugged airbags; all at once, for 500 miles and it doesn't give a damn so long as you don't let it run near flat dry.

...but can you drive that thing with a broken electric supercharger?

Cheers,

Kennith
 

discostew

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Don't be scared Kenneth, it's just technology. I don't see any of this inginium stuff getting towed in. I see some of the two stage water pumps causing a check engine light and a cooling fan running fast because its a fail safe. The engines don't overheat when this happens. So I think this is a little deal. A couple variable valve timing solenoids here and there causing a check engine light. Takes about 45 min. start to finish on that job. So again a little deal. Cars are getting better due to technology. If this was the late 80's I would have made most of my money this month getting peoples quadrajet chokes dialed in. Like hundred hour weeks getting peoples shit to run right. Now the cars kind of figure it out.
 

kennith

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Don't be scared Kenneth, it's just technology. I don't see any of this inginium stuff getting towed in. I see some of the two stage water pumps causing a check engine light and a cooling fan running fast because its a fail safe. The engines don't overheat when this happens. So I think this is a little deal. A couple variable valve timing solenoids here and there causing a check engine light. Takes about 45 min. start to finish on that job. So again a little deal. Cars are getting better due to technology. If this was the late 80's I would have made most of my money this month getting peoples quadrajet chokes dialed in. Like hundred hour weeks getting peoples shit to run right. Now the cars kind of figure it out.
I know they're getting better, but we're in for another period of growing pains soon.

All I want to know is if the car will drive with a failed supercharger. I'm thinking ten to twenty years down the road; when it's likely to become annoying.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

kennith

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You sand I are going to be dead in 20 yrs. Somebody will take our drivers license before that. Worry about if you gave the dog his heart worm stuff, or if that cross eyed waitress was really looking at your crotch. The car will be fine.
Irrelevant.

I don't care whether or not the car outlasts me, I don't have a dog, and what's between that waitress's legs isn't worth enduring with what's between her ears.

I'll just acquire a manual and figure it out myself or watch a salesman pull a few relays.

Cheers,

Kennith
 
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The parts that make those look "cool", are also mostly impossible. The exo-cage would have no substructure to attach to, and with the way these are built, is probably weaker than the pillars anyways. The classic Defender had very little strength in the body above the cappings, so the cage was actually an improvement.

The exposed chassis, radius arms, and trailing arms are obviously fantasy, but then so are the sliders as pictured.

Tires would never clear without driving in off-road height 24x7.

Rear classic round lights, not gonna happen.

Bumper, not like that.

Stickers. The new Defender will definitely be compatible with stickers.
 
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The parts that make those look "cool", are also mostly impossible. The exo-cage would have no substructure to attach to, and with the way these are built, is probably weaker than the pillars anyways. The classic Defender had very little strength in the body above the cappings, so the cage was actually an improvement.

The exposed chassis, radius arms, and trailing arms are obviously fantasy, but then so are the sliders as pictured.

Tires would never clear without driving in off-road height 24x7.

Rear classic round lights, not gonna happen.

Bumper, not like that.

Stickers. The new Defender will definitely be compatible with stickers.
I get it. That's why it's a render and not a build. I think the point is that this is what LR could have done with the Defender had they built body-on-frame, solid axles, etc. And then even with the new look it would at least had a claim to being a Defender replacement/update.
 
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