96 d1 turns over but wont start!!

mwilson

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so i tried to start it again this evening and it didn't start, then i did that on off on off thing again and it started, so could it be the ignition, an electrical problem or maybe the fuel injectors?
 

1784

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mwilson said:
so i tried to start it again this evening and it didn't start, then i did that on off on off thing again and it started, so could it be the ignition, an electrical problem or maybe the fuel injectors?

Be structured ;)
When it doesn't start, you have the chance to trouble shoot. First, check if spark is present and check if fuel pressure is OK (with pressure gauge). If it's fuel pressure missing, you just have to find out why. First check is if fuel pump is running or not. Assuming not running, find out why. Does it have power or not? Assuming not, follow wiring diagramme and measure voltages to establish what is wrong.
 
I hate intermittent electrical problems almost as much as I hate P38 BeCM problems.

Wilson-you have had the original pump out and put a new"er" one in with no change, thus leading us (right, or wrong) that it's not the pump. We don't have absolute confirmation of this, but for now, we're gonna go with it.

Similarly, let us assume that we're not having both ignition and fuel supply problems (work with me here). To isolate one component at a time, let's start with the relay as it's pretty much the easiest accessible. Jumper pins seven and nine-should both be white/purple on a '96. This will run the pump and give us presumptive proof of continuous circuitry between the pump and the battery.

Next, let's take our nifty back probes and begin probing the relays terminals with the key on, ensuring that the rest of the circuits controlled by the "multi-function relay unit" are operational (you'd think that the folks who developed this language would be better users of it). If we can prove that the relay is reliably doing its job, we need to start looking at things like the ignition switch, grounds and the various interconnections in the circuit.

It ain't likely to be pretty boys, but hang on, it might be fun!
 

SGaynor

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PT - Since the pump seems to be OK, per your assumption, wouldn't a bad crank sensor seem like a logical something to look at? Sounds like all the right symptoms. How do you check it short of putting in a new one? I couldn't find any procedure in RAVE.
 

SGaynor

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mwilson said:
well just put the light between the white'purple on the plug and the ground on the pump and nothing....wtf.... so is it the pump still or is it something before the pump... when i hook up the white purple to just bare metal on the door it lights up but when i hook it to the ground on the pump it doesn't light up so it seems as though the pump is getting power but the pump isn't able to complete the circuit... any more suggestions?????

You put the light on the ground on the pump, or the wiring harness connection (plug)? Makes a big difference. If the pump, you wouldn't have a closed circuit, right? From the other posts, sounds like your pump is OK.
 
SGaynor said:
PT - Since the pump seems to be OK, per your assumption, wouldn't a bad crank sensor seem like a logical something to look at? Sounds like all the right symptoms. How do you check it short of putting in a new one? I couldn't find any procedure in RAVE.

Only if the reason it isn't starting is due to lack of spark. The fact that in the very first post, he stated no fuel pressure, we are assuming he has spark and the no start condition is due to lack of fuel.
 

1784

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Finally I have the answer to the problem. It was the ign module that was faulty. The second one I bought (new) must have been faulty as well, but with a third one (second hand from a breaker) the Disco now starts perfectly every time.
 

Rosie 158

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We seem to be going round and round. But, you latest symptoms appear to be very similar to what I experienced years ago with a few Saabs. The cars would start fine sometimes and not start other times. There didn't appear to be any ryme or reason. I conencted a test light to the "Hot" lead of the fuel pump relay and found that when the car(s) wouldn't start, I wasn;t getting power to the relay. Turned out to be the ignition switch. For what its worth!
 

osiristheclown

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What are you calling an "ignition module"? A '96 is a GEMS truck and doesn't have an "ignition module". It has an ECU, 10AS alarm unit, and a Multi Function Relay. Where is this so called "ignition module" located in the vehicle?
 

singingcamel

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How the Hell did you decide it was the crank position sensor when he said he has no fuel pressure?

Grey Goose? More like Wild Goose Chase!

Let's not make the job more complicated than it already is. The gentleman said in his very first post that he had no fuel pressure. Does it not make sense to determine why there is no fuel pressure before we go looking for more complicated causes?


If he used a screw driver to check fuel pressure , he probably checked the line from the fuel pressure reg and not the direct line from the pump.