Cali against 3K oil changes
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pdxrovermech said:
i use redline 5w40 every 5k, and have zero leaks as well.
with newer engines being very sealed i.e. air tight for emission regulations, the amount of shit, gassing, combustion byproducts, etc, ends up in the crankcase vent valves, breather lines, intake manifolds, until finally the oil seperator/vent valve fails, uneven pressure happens, then sitting at a red light enough oil is finally sucked in fouling the plug, and locking the motor up. we've seen this a lot with bmw's, luckily the motor just stalls with no major failure.
15k mile interval car, jiffy lube sticker on windshield
meh, most people can just never change the oil at the rate that we are a throw away society...
I do 5000-7500 on both the rr and the d2 depending on driving, miata is 4-5kish, not sure yet.
run GC 0-30 in the RR and miata, and t6 in the d2. None burn and none leak.
I do 5000-7500 on both the rr and the d2 depending on driving, miata is 4-5kish, not sure yet.
run GC 0-30 in the RR and miata, and t6 in the d2. None burn and none leak.
ptschram said:
i actually had a discussion about this point of view with somebody at the organic food store. we pulled in at the same time, i got out of my truck and this 'earth lover' clone verbatim 'those vehicles are the reason the planet is getting too hot'.
these kind of people are a waste of breath, because they are brain washed to believe that electric cars do not pollute, we should not run power transmission lines thru forests, and horses cause less erosion than off highway vehicles. BUT i had to ask the guy why he felt his prius (i know go figure a guy holding a couple reusable NPR bags, wearing patagonia, shopping at an organic grocery store, was also driving a prius) was more ecologically sound. so he gave me his lecture.
most of us know the energy impact a prius has on the environment, but i still explained to him my viewpoint on that fact.
then i explained to him that my truck always passes emission testing, it is almost 12 years old, which means i have saved 3 vehicles from having to be produced, yada yada yada....the guy just didn't want to get it. if for anything else, the components mined for those batteries have at least given NASA a test ground, keeps coal miners in work to feed the electric plants, keeps the EPA in business to regulate and tax the polluting electric plants, and so on. government legislation has helped fuel companies, corn lobbyists, auto manufacturers, etc by demanding oil companies to put alcohol in our vehicles which reduces motor life of non e85 compatible motors, which promotes new car sales, reduces fuel economy, which promotes more fuel consumption, gives farmers subsidies to grow more corn, which emits more CO2 when harvested, gives GOVERNMENT more tax dollars when they fine and penalize all who emit too much, etc.
now we're starting to hear that the government is talking to auto manufacturers the feasibility of a new OBD iteration that would alert the state's VEIP when your engine light comes on?!?!?
Maryland removed all the dynos from VEIP stations, so now we have all these obd1 cars coming in for over $500 worth of repairs because they fail at idle, and OBD2 cars coming in because they have transmission or abs faults, repairs not needed to comply with federally mandated emission testing.....even if your CEL is not on, readiness codes are set, if you have a stored code you fail, period.
but back to the original post, auto manufacturers do stretch maintenance out for cost of ownership marketing, even Porsche suggests 20,000 mile oil services. but i have to think that some of that is not just marketing but some kind of keep the US EPA compliance shit off their backs.
up to about 2 years ago, safety kleen paid us for used oil (to clean and resell) now they charge us, so now we have to charge another stupid fee to customers. we burn it in our waste oil burner, but we always have more waste oil than the burner can burn in the winter.
no surprise this story is from California.
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The problem is the reasoning behind the advocacy is based on the public's perception of what the correct oil change interval is, rather than what is actually being practiced. The fact is, the public doesn't have the means to make intelligent decisions about oil change intervals and advocating a change in their minds won't produce a good result.
About ten years ago, cars and pickups starting coming with rev counters to recommend oil change intervals rather than simply odometer measurements. This was an improvment but there is a lot better technology available. Traditionally, fleets have used tribology services but I know that the gas turbine and rotating assembly guys are using vibration transducers and other sensors. The particular systems are too costly even for a diesel fleet but the technology is scalable and if States pushed it, they could bring the cost way down.
California has already exercised a lot of authority over vehicle manufacturers, and it would probably produce a better result if they required new cars to be equipped with a proven change interval technology that is better than guessing with odometer measurements.
About ten years ago, cars and pickups starting coming with rev counters to recommend oil change intervals rather than simply odometer measurements. This was an improvment but there is a lot better technology available. Traditionally, fleets have used tribology services but I know that the gas turbine and rotating assembly guys are using vibration transducers and other sensors. The particular systems are too costly even for a diesel fleet but the technology is scalable and if States pushed it, they could bring the cost way down.
California has already exercised a lot of authority over vehicle manufacturers, and it would probably produce a better result if they required new cars to be equipped with a proven change interval technology that is better than guessing with odometer measurements.
I checked the closest thing to my buick on their little website, and it says 3k changes go figure....
i'm willing to bet that waste oil your putting in the burner is against regulations too. a business around here was fined because their waste oil wasnt clean enough or some shit. it does seem stupid to pay to have oil hauled off especially when some motor oil companies are promoting recycled oil now. i dont think we pay for it, but we definitely dont get a credit. if we had a big tank of used oil we would though.
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pdxrovermech said:
First off, referring to it as waste oil indicates that the generator has knowledge of what went into it that made it "off-spec" and not suitable for unregulated burning for energy recovery. Used oil is not regulated, not hazardous, "waste oil" is a hazardous waste.
If "Generator knowledge" is such that the generator can justify that it hasn't been contaminated by halogens or the magic seven metals it can be burned in unregulated "heaters, boilers and industrial furnaces".
Typically, used engine oil is not contaminated to the point where it can't be burned in an unregulated furnace for energy recovery, BUT, if one extends their oil change frequency, it is likely, if not probably that the wear metals entrained in the oil would result in it becoming a "characteristic hazardous waste".
Therefor, this proposal may well result in increasing the generation of hazardous wastes!