Not Scott, it seems I like the premise. I've figured it out. You're the Jump to Conclusions guy from the movie Office Space.
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Concealed Carry Reciprocity
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Not Scott, it seems I like the premise. I've figured it out. You're the Jump to Conclusions guy from the movie Office Space.
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Exactly. The hassle.
What you note is why I'll likely end up with a trust, ability for the wife to execute things easier if necessary and for kids to take receipt.
I have a laundry list of suppressor wants but it starts with taking the bite out of my LMT Mk-18 (the 10.5" barrel is a great length but is nasty shooting 77gr).
LWRC makes some damn nice guns, the IC-PDW is sweet.
Interesting point about noise and accuracy. That's why I get a kick out of people so worked up on full automatics. What we should be worried is when there's a marksman on the non-receiving end. I can certainly see how this could effect the equilibrium and accuracy in contrast to more/less noise.
I would also agree about the expense of the handgun. Criminals don't use Glocks, H&K or Kimbers. They use Rugers or something similar. Sorry Ruger owners, it is what it is.
Maybe Congress will still see this though, who knows. For me, the reciprocity is more important. As it is now (legally) you need to access your weapon and throw it on the dash before you cross a state line. A PITA.
Why such a big bullet in such a short barrel? I'd think you'd be better off with the 55g? It's not like that gun is for engaging targets past 250 yrds. Does it have a 1/7 twist? That's what mine has, so I go with the bigger bullets.
I've got the LWRC M6A3 (mid-length gas piston) which they termed their DMR. I figured it was a good close to mid range rifle (long distance? I've got a .308 Ruger bolt gun that prints ~1"). It's gas block settings are: N (normal), S (suppressor) and O (off - becomes a bolt action). It's supposed to be real nice to shoot in suppressed mode with a suppressor - I'd like to try that.
When I saw that IC when it first came out with the twisted fluted barrel...:drool:
But, since I'm not building an armory, and one $2k AR is all I need...
Although I do kind of want one in 6.8SPC...or their .308 REPR. Now that one:drool::drool:
Got to wait until the kids are out of college.
55gr is def better day in/day out for comfort not to mention cost, but 77gr OTM is what I've come to trust ever since they started handing it out to us in 2006... I am nothing if not a creature of habit. For short barrels that lose muzzle velocity the weight helps with the punch-and with my ACOG she is accurate to at least 300m I'll have you know. (could prob stretch to 400). If/when suppressed I may try out some of the newer 55gr offerings to see how I like them.
One $2k AR?! Madness. That's just getting started.
Or living the adage 'beware the man with just one rifle, for he'll know how to use it.'
Hey, I'm a yuge fan of bigger bullet is better. My go-to deer gun is a .45-70 with 300g HP moving at 2000+fps.:bigok:
My eyes are going shitty, and I don't shoot as often as I should... so with 3x optics I'm good to 200. I'm jealous
Well, I do have a Kimber. I've been buying in quality vs quantity in my old age.
Yea, the states that enter into reciprocity agreements would agree with you. It's my understanding you cross a state line with no agreement that firearm can no longer be accessible AND concealed. All the teachings I've ever sat thorough or talked with instructors with say the same thing, throw it on the dash so the police have clear view, tell them immediately it's there if pulled. Every state has very different laws so you're going to get different opinions and approaches on this.
Please...go to MA; drive through NJ, NY, CT on your way. Do this^^^. Report back.
In about 5-10 years.:bigok:
I'm being facetious because some states (NJ) don't even allow for possession out side of the house, let alone open carry. In fact, most places in the NE it better be locked, unloaded (ammo needs to be locked in a separate location) and inaccessible to you if you are transporting it, at a minimum. Oh, and you better not have hollow points.
No, I know that you're talking about handguns.
The idea of chucking a piece onto the dash strikes me as foolish, for a variety of reasons. Any LE's that I know would go into a very reddish version of Condition Orange if they walked up to a vehicle they had just pulled over and saw a loose weapon. Also, it just strikes me as sloppy.
To my mind, when a CCW holder is travelling via roads, their weapon should be either 1)concealed on their person, 2)locked in a case, or 3)in the console or the dash, as appropriate for the laws where you happen to be at the moment.
Stu,
I found the disconnect. The scenario I'm speaking of is:
Having a CCP in GA (for example) and traveling into Maryland where they don't honor GA's CCP. Before you get into the state throw it on the dash, basically unconcealing it. It's the best way to practice carrying a firearm across state lines and having the second amendment on your side. I would agree with everything else you said, it's sloppy. In NC it's illegal to have a concealed weapon in your car that's accessible (up to the officer) if you don't hold a permit.
PS, I'm no authority, I'm just relaying what I've been taught here in NC. Hell, I could be wrong or the laws may have changed as well.
I disagree.
You're going down the road with a loose, presumably loaded weapon on the dash. Into a state that isn't friendly to gun owners. I cannot see how that would end well if you're pulled over. Doubly so if you're pulled over for, well, brandishing a weapon on your dash.
You're presuming they have open carry (MD does not), and that it's legal to even posses a handgun. Get north and east of the Mason-Dixon line and you're playing Russian Roulette.
Edit: Best bet? Just stay out of the NE.
https://www.thenewspaper.com/news/41/4110.asp
I left out a big part and you called me on it, throw it on the dash if you're getting pulled over. If you don't do that in North Carolina and you don't have a CCP and the gun is between the seat you can get in deep doo-doo. NC is friendly to gun owners but the Police want to see the gun and be notified ASAP if pulled over, this is common knowledge. Best bet, like you said, a lockbox in the back or trunk. That said, some people just don't want to be that far from their weapon, I get that to.
In NC it's legal to keep a weapon in your car if it's not concealed. Best bet? The dash.
I just read a whole bunch on the subject:
https://www.deansafe.com/transporting-guns-in-california.html
https://www.deansafe.com/transporting-guns-in-california.html
I skimmed this. Looks like in CA they def. want a lock-box of some kind and not loaded.
Here is the reading for NC directly from the State. Wondering if NC is unique or other states are similar. That's where I was earlier, I simply thought most states would have similar laws. Mistake.
D. Transporting Weapons
Given this general prohibition of carrying concealed weapons, individuals must be ever
vigilant to ensure their particular situation cannot be construed as concealing a weapon, either on
or about them, without being properly authorized to do so with a valid North Carolina, or
recognized out-of-state concealed handgun permit. Therefore, the permittee's accessibility to the
weapon is of prime importance. It is unlawful to transport a weapon (absent a proper permit) that
is BOTH concealed and readily accessible to a person. It is for these reasons, that when
transporting a weapon in a vehicle, even greater care must be exercised to ensure that the weapon
is not concealed and within the ready access to an occupant of the vehicle. North Carolina law
does not specifically address how to transport a weapon in an automobile. Therefore, the central
question becomes: when is the weapon concealed and readily accessible to an occupant of an
automobile? Obviously, a weapon would be concealed and readily accessible, and therefore in
violation of North Carolina law, if it were placed in such areas of a vehicle as under the seat of
the automobile; in a bag in the back seat; or in some other manner is covered or hidden within
the easy reach of an occupant of the vehicle. It is our recommendation that firearms should not
be carried in a glove compartment regardless of whether the compartment is locked or not.
While a weapon carried openly in an automobile would not be concealed, there are other
problems specific to this method of carrying a weapon. The principal drawback, of course, is in
the event of an individual being stopped by a law enforcement official, the officer may not
readily know that individual's purpose and intent for carrying a weapon. As such, it is imperative
that an individual immediately notify an officer of the presence of any weapon in the automobile,
for the officer's and the vehicle's occupants' safety. Another obvious drawback is that a valuable
weapon may be in plain view for potential thieves to see. The prohibition to carrying concealed
weapons applies not only to handguns and other weapons commonly thought of as being easily
hidden, but also to "long guns" as well. Therefore, shotguns and rifles concealed behind the seat
of pickup trucks, and elsewhere in other vehicles, could similarly violate North Carolina law.
As to those vehicles with no easily discernible trunk area (e.g., SUVs, vans, etc.), it becomes
a factual determination of when the weapon is within ready and easy access to an occupant of the
vehicle. If the weapon is concealed near, in close proximity to, or within the convenient control
and access of an occupant, which would allow him/her to use the weapon quickly, then a fair
probability exists that the occupant is in violation of the law. Therefore, care must be exercised
by any occupant of any vehicle to ensure that weapons are securely locked away in as remote an
area as possible, in relation to the passenger compartment of the vehicle. It is important to
emphasize that these prohibitions apply to passengers, as well as drivers of any vehicle.
http://www.ncdoj.gov/getdoc/32344299-a2a7-4ae5-99fd-9018262f64ac/NC-Firearms-gun-Laws.aspx
Neh,
NC Offers this, much more to my liking.
https://edmv.ncdot.gov/VehicleRegistration/SpecialPlate/Detail?PlateID=144#term=