D2 traction control VS CDL being locked video
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Peter,listerdiesel said:
Some of us are blessed to live in vast places that have thousands of miles of trails, easy or hard, that one can drive on, without little sticks with little flags on them. Very few "competitions" on the West Coast - except for Johnson Valley and lower Mojave Desert.
For whatever it's worth, a Discovery does a decent job at rock climbing.
Yeah I think traction control works pretty good.
But when your tires never leave the ground, don't really need it...
But when your tires never leave the ground, don't really need it...
I know what Kyle is implying, but instead of what Kyle is implying, it will be interpreted he is talking cones which means the retained guys will argue to death.
fwiw, I finally only have a tire off the ground when I drive above 45 mph on the trail.
fwiw, I finally only have a tire off the ground when I drive above 45 mph on the trail.
yeah, I'm re-building shocks...how's this sounds:
TC fails, period...The CDL mod is a must for anybody who wants to play off road. When the TC fails, and it will fail, at the most inopportune time, at least you have a 50% chance of getting thru the obstacle. Here's some "actual" "real world" events that has disabled the TC:
One good knock to a rim while at speed, will throw a rough road 1590 code and your done.
On a washboard road, at speed, I've had 'em throw the 1590 code
Get a shit load of dust and dirt on the brakes and same thing, brakes squeal and guess what..
All these lead to loss of TC, if the you can lock the center, at least you have half a chance of make it over some obstacles and thru the trail...
quick edit: and with the cdl mod, you can do the poor man's locker and use brake/gas-left/right foot thing
TC fails, period...The CDL mod is a must for anybody who wants to play off road. When the TC fails, and it will fail, at the most inopportune time, at least you have a 50% chance of getting thru the obstacle. Here's some "actual" "real world" events that has disabled the TC:
One good knock to a rim while at speed, will throw a rough road 1590 code and your done.
On a washboard road, at speed, I've had 'em throw the 1590 code
Get a shit load of dust and dirt on the brakes and same thing, brakes squeal and guess what..
All these lead to loss of TC, if the you can lock the center, at least you have half a chance of make it over some obstacles and thru the trail...
quick edit: and with the cdl mod, you can do the poor man's locker and use brake/gas-left/right foot thing
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Yeah it was meant to be a double meaning.
Oh and tc works much better with toy brakes and the different wheel speed count too. But I did do all of banca peak rd and the rest of my last Colorado trip with tc inop as I ripped a wire pulling out of the driveway when we left.... Momentum was a supplement...
Oh and tc works much better with toy brakes and the different wheel speed count too. But I did do all of banca peak rd and the rest of my last Colorado trip with tc inop as I ripped a wire pulling out of the driveway when we left.... Momentum was a supplement...
I put about 100K on my old '96 D1 and I've put about 55K on my '04 D2.
My D1 had CDL (obviously) and rear ARB locker. CDL is great but the locker makes the big difference in those spots where you just can't get up & over.
My D2 has CDL and TC but no locker. I was actually very surprised at how well the TC works, especially on loose, gullied hillclimbs with cross-axle situations. I was even more surprised by how much it sucked when the 3 amigos disabled my TC.
My D1 had CDL (obviously) and rear ARB locker. CDL is great but the locker makes the big difference in those spots where you just can't get up & over.
My D2 has CDL and TC but no locker. I was actually very surprised at how well the TC works, especially on loose, gullied hillclimbs with cross-axle situations. I was even more surprised by how much it sucked when the 3 amigos disabled my TC.
I have had my d2 since new. I had it without CDL for many years until retrofitting. CDL is definitely better with traction control. However traction control when driven correctly works and works better than in the video. It requires considerably more throttle than what was uses in the first segmentt of the video. If he had accelerated and held the throttle steady instead of being barely above idle drive would have been transferred and he would have driven up the hill.... Ie the brakes would have grabbed far more aggressively and more drive transferred. Not a good video in my view.
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So for an 01 Disco that has the CDL spigot - and an Ashcroft CDL installed...what should you do with the wiring? Leave it alone?...if so how does it work and will it disable the TC? I am doing the install this weekend.
I was under the impression a wire had to be cut to trick the SLABS?
I was under the impression a wire had to be cut to trick the SLABS?
It will disable the TC if you turn the truck off and then back on with the CDL engaged. If you disengage the CDL before turning the truck off it will function normally.
Cutting the wire will negate the first.
Cutting the wire will negate the first.
i just reprogrammed my slabs.
FYI the newest slabs module works WAY better than the previous versions.
FYI the newest slabs module works WAY better than the previous versions.
scottfromoz said:
That is the point of this video. He did not have to have momentum to bounce the truck over the obstacles and risk damage. With the CDL engaged he was able to gently walk the truck up in complete control.
The point is that you shouldn't need a lot of truck damaging momentum to get over the obstacle.
I have 04 disco with TC and CDL and short of bottoming out in ruts running prior to 3 inch lift install, I have never been stuck in any terrain.
TC works great if you know how to drive your truck!
I am sorry but I keep hearing about lockers and I say WTF !
If TC is so bad then why do H1 Hummers have the same Wabsco TC system?
I ran my truck up a 35 deg incline grassy area IN THE SNOW ---- WHILE IT WAS SNOWING with TC and CDL(BFG'S A/T's)
You would have to be there to appreciate this I know.
There is NO WAY this could have been done with the constant traction provided by a rear diff locker!
If you dont have CDL -- get it -- Do your maintenance, learn how to drive, enjoy the truck -- that's what it's all about.
I have 04 disco with TC and CDL and short of bottoming out in ruts running prior to 3 inch lift install, I have never been stuck in any terrain.
TC works great if you know how to drive your truck!
I am sorry but I keep hearing about lockers and I say WTF !
If TC is so bad then why do H1 Hummers have the same Wabsco TC system?
I ran my truck up a 35 deg incline grassy area IN THE SNOW ---- WHILE IT WAS SNOWING with TC and CDL(BFG'S A/T's)
You would have to be there to appreciate this I know.
There is NO WAY this could have been done with the constant traction provided by a rear diff locker!
If you dont have CDL -- get it -- Do your maintenance, learn how to drive, enjoy the truck -- that's what it's all about.
roverdon,
for what its worth, the original video was justin showing what you were just saying, my original response was me busting justin's balls. WITH traction control AND a CDL you can stay slow and under control. without CDL and only TC, when a wheel is off the ground you're going to need a new line or speed.
im with you regarding lockers. aired down below 10 psi and CDL, i rarely need to lock the front or rear. like you said, lockers sometimes interfere with the line you want to keep, especially when your on lsd lockers...
for what its worth, the original video was justin showing what you were just saying, my original response was me busting justin's balls. WITH traction control AND a CDL you can stay slow and under control. without CDL and only TC, when a wheel is off the ground you're going to need a new line or speed.
im with you regarding lockers. aired down below 10 psi and CDL, i rarely need to lock the front or rear. like you said, lockers sometimes interfere with the line you want to keep, especially when your on lsd lockers...
Using only TC you have to give gas on for more than two seconds to overcome obstacles.
The video should have shown a good ten seconds of gas on to allow the system to lock the free wheel and rear wheels pushing the truck over the rock.
The driver stopped too soon.
We will never know cause the procedure was incorrect.
The video should have shown a good ten seconds of gas on to allow the system to lock the free wheel and rear wheels pushing the truck over the rock.
The driver stopped too soon.
We will never know cause the procedure was incorrect.
RoverDon said:
I'm sorry the video wasn't up to your standards. How about this ? You hire a cameraman, You hire somebody to edit the video and then get somebody to drive a truck to your standards. Host the whole thing and show me how's it's done.