not mine but figured this would be a good deal for someone considering it is a tdi, in nc
http://eastnc.craigslist.org/bar/3004493237.html
http://eastnc.craigslist.org/bar/3004493237.html
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d90, seems cheap, 13.6k
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Right hand drive, 200 tdi, no mention of what sort of title it has. That's 3 pretty bad strikes right there. Not to say someone shouldnt buy it but it's miles away from other defenders you see for sale.
If you are going to drive this thing at anything close to highway speeds its a strike. A 200 tdi can barely get out of it's own way on the street.
What!? The 200 has the same power as a 300 and will push a 90 to 80mph all day long. I have had 20 or more 200 tdi trucks including a built disco and I could even run it at 70 with the ac on. And with a little tuning they will do lots more
I will yield to your greater experience but I have ridden in a few 200 tdi trucks and they felt pretty lethargic to me.
I just want to see a bigger picture of the chick on the beach....
Not bad truck. price is good too.
Not bad truck. price is good too.
Good mpg. Can drive 80mph all day. These two things cannot be done at the same time and should not be used as benchmarks for how good a Land Rover is. People are ridiculous if that is one of their concerns when they buy a 90 or 110. "Man, I dunno. I really need this car to be able to do 80mph or even closer to 100mph. Oh it can. SOLD!" Or maybe this is what most think, "I'm going to save so much money on gas by driving this thing cause it can potentially achieve 30mpg. I will come out in the end because it certainly won't need thousands in repairs or new replacement parts."
"I am what I used to be," said no one's hearing that drives a diesel 90 or 110. Ever.
200 and 300 are different by single digits in HP and torque as far as power goes. A 200 can be tuned to drive differently, yes... then your mpg will suffer. You probably also have to swap out your t-case or re-gear it to go fast on the highway as well. Most people don't know how to drive in the end and all human beings are idiots to some extent.
Realistic. I DD'd a 200tdi disco engine 90 hard top for 3+ years while living in the UK. I averaged about 24-26mpg (US) depending on how I drove. I didn't go much faster than 65 on the highway(70mph speed limit) but I was always going 30, 40, 50, or 60 if the speed limit allowed it. On really long trips 8+ hours I would go 70. It was painfully loud and the mpg was closer to the 24 mark. V8 is the way to go if you must. Scratch that. Do not buy one of these if you have to drive on the highway regularly unless you are adamant about owning only one vehicle and want one for other reasons than to look cool. Looking cool is about all they're good for in the cool department. Not feeling cool or being cool. They won't help you there.
"I am what I used to be," said no one's hearing that drives a diesel 90 or 110. Ever.
200 and 300 are different by single digits in HP and torque as far as power goes. A 200 can be tuned to drive differently, yes... then your mpg will suffer. You probably also have to swap out your t-case or re-gear it to go fast on the highway as well. Most people don't know how to drive in the end and all human beings are idiots to some extent.
Realistic. I DD'd a 200tdi disco engine 90 hard top for 3+ years while living in the UK. I averaged about 24-26mpg (US) depending on how I drove. I didn't go much faster than 65 on the highway(70mph speed limit) but I was always going 30, 40, 50, or 60 if the speed limit allowed it. On really long trips 8+ hours I would go 70. It was painfully loud and the mpg was closer to the 24 mark. V8 is the way to go if you must. Scratch that. Do not buy one of these if you have to drive on the highway regularly unless you are adamant about owning only one vehicle and want one for other reasons than to look cool. Looking cool is about all they're good for in the cool department. Not feeling cool or being cool. They won't help you there.
While I respect the TDI motor the truth is comparing them to a v8 motor is like apples and oranges.
I recently replaced a 300TDI with a 5.0 V8 Gems Based Unit in my personal truck. What did I gain? A bit under 180hp... The TDI is impressive with its torque in the low gears... and after 60 on a flat... As far as punching down on it and taking off like a BMW 4.4 Rangie...it is not.. Nor are any of the earlier V8 apps for that matter.
My reason for changing? I live in the Hills... The 300Tdi struggled to pull my truck up the hills... in a 90 it might not be quite as bad...but my 130 weighs almost 1700 pds more than a 90 and the lack of power was a huge killer for me.
The fuel myth.... While the TDI is more economical the truth of the matter is no one is getting 30plus MPG out of them... 23-25 I will buy into and have experienced in 90's and 110 applications.
I will agree with Marty on the anemic power... but disagree on the highway speeds... They are capable of 80 on the flats... just takes a bit longer to get there... on the hills... ??? no comparison to a v8 at all.
The plus
they are dependable drivetrains.
I recently replaced a 300TDI with a 5.0 V8 Gems Based Unit in my personal truck. What did I gain? A bit under 180hp... The TDI is impressive with its torque in the low gears... and after 60 on a flat... As far as punching down on it and taking off like a BMW 4.4 Rangie...it is not.. Nor are any of the earlier V8 apps for that matter.
My reason for changing? I live in the Hills... The 300Tdi struggled to pull my truck up the hills... in a 90 it might not be quite as bad...but my 130 weighs almost 1700 pds more than a 90 and the lack of power was a huge killer for me.
The fuel myth.... While the TDI is more economical the truth of the matter is no one is getting 30plus MPG out of them... 23-25 I will buy into and have experienced in 90's and 110 applications.
I will agree with Marty on the anemic power... but disagree on the highway speeds... They are capable of 80 on the flats... just takes a bit longer to get there... on the hills... ??? no comparison to a v8 at all.
The plus
they are dependable drivetrains.
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I daily drive my 110 w/ a 300 tdi and a 1.4 transfer box. I used to drive it to western Virginia almost every weekend and never dropped below 70. My DII with 265/75 tires couldn't get over 60 going up one of the hills. I also average 25 mpg consistently with a fuel leak. The The defenders that can't get up to speed on the highway probably have the timing set wrong, or have the wrong transfer box (1.6).
You're comparing similar sized tires(I assume) with different t-case ratios, though. Drive the same 110 300tdi w/ a 1.2 t-case and it would probably be a different story. Drive the same DII with a 1.4 t-case and it would be different as well. I think Mike Fisher has a 1.4 ratio in his DIIs t-case. More than likely most imported vehicles will be standard with a 1.4 t-case so they will likely always appear to perform better on hills.
There is no perfect ratio. There will always be a compromise. I went with 1.003 in my 110. I lived in a flat area before and am moving to another relatively flat area and am not planning on going any bigger than the current 7.50 tires. I would never keep this ratio if I move to the mountains.
There is no perfect ratio. There will always be a compromise. I went with 1.003 in my 110. I lived in a flat area before and am moving to another relatively flat area and am not planning on going any bigger than the current 7.50 tires. I would never keep this ratio if I move to the mountains.
Yes there are variables I'm sure in all the scenarios. Who knows which one in a controlled setting would win. My point really is that the tdi is a strong motor with torque and good midrange and heck, the v8 just gets louder when you increase rpms... At least the tdi actually pulls
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Most V8's should have the 1.2 transfer box, and most tdi's will have the 1.4, unless its a work/military truck with the 1.6.
FWIW the tires are within .1" when comparing my DII to my Defender.